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Subject 1: (Interview). Subtitle: Ravi Shankar, Sukanya Rajan. Timecode In: 00:00:18. Timecode out: 00:47:33. Notes: Ravi Shankar's life; Ravi Shankar Institute for Music and Performing Arts; General Conversation. Subject 2: (Sound Effects). Subtitle: Bell. Timecode In: 01:22:16. Timecode out: 01:22:20. Equipment Notes: Split Track Stereo. Show: Ravi Shankar, Susan Stamberg DAT #: 6 Engineer: William McQuay Date: December 7, 2004 R = Ravi Shankar SUK = Sukanya Rajan S = Susan Stamberg J = Jessica Goldstein Bill = Bill McQuay 00:24 S- family of gorgeous men SUK- you know his brother who died last year, I was in love with him. His eyes¿ R-he was 12 years older than me 00:53 S-the sons, you brothers, look more like your father or your mother? (whispering behind it) r- most of them , they say I look more like my mother [(bill takes a moment to plan) Susan switches to the other mic side (2:52)] 2:55 s- garland and Ravi means sun R-and Shankar is the name of Shiva, the holy trinity, you know, Vishnu, Shiva and Ramah? So Shankar is another name s- a name of the gods, pretty good (closing some doors) 3:56 s- I wanted to talk about the relationship with the guru and how , what it meant when you were a boy. When you decided to go to your guru, you were not a little boy 4:15 R- no, actually he joined my brothers troupe and just for one year and Baba Lawd din, and at that time I knew about him. I heard all the famous stories about his violent temper and his being like a child, so sweet, but at time of teaching a student if someone doesn't pick up quickly he goes absolutely bezerk. So all that I had known and I was quite, you know, then he joined us in Bombay just a few days before we left by boat for Europe. This was way back in 5:10 November '35. and it was very interesting really, his son, who is two years younger to me, Ali Achbar Khan, he was also to come but in the last moment he said that we was missing his mother, so, because he was terrified of his father. 5:35 you know all the time because he was very exacting while teaching, everything he was all the time saying that he doesn't go astray anyway, so he stayed back , so we started our trip and that was the time when my mother had come to see us off. 6:02 in Bombay from varanasee (?) and it was very memorable thing for me , just before getting on the plank, going to deport, he was standing all of a sudden my mother became very sentimental ,seeing me go. And she might have had a premonition, because my father, had died about just six months before that and as I have written in my book also, he had died in London, we don't know how he died. Some accident or something happened. So anyway she felt very very sentimental and actually I didn't call him Baba then but my guru, Ustad Alaw Minkad, but started calling him , Baba Lawdin afterwards. My mother went near him took my hand and put my hand on his hand and she tears in her eyes and said , she also said Baba like that, you know, said Baba his father died just a few months ago and I am not going with him. So please take care of him, he is a naughty boy (little pause, light hearted) 7:48 so please take care of him, the moment she said that, you it was like a drama really, he burst out loudly crying, calling her ma, that is mother, ma you are aratnargarba. Aratnagarba is a word, aratna means jewel garba means pregnant, so (quiet horn in the background) he said that you are aratnagarba, you have son like Udeshinka (?) who is like an incarnation of Shiva and uh, your telling this is in it for me, from today and I can see the Robo, that's my nickname, as my elder son. I had one son, now I have two sons. He was howling and crying, my mother was crying, I was crying, it was such a, you know, I will never forget that whole thing. s- it was like a religious experience r- pardon?... (Notes truncated)
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