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Subject: (Interview). Subtitle: Katy Payne, Andrea Turkalo. Timecode In: 00:03:01. Timecode out: 00:49:58. Notes: Forest Elephant research; Elephant Listening Project. Equipment Notes: Spaced Omni Stereo; DPA 4060. Show: CAR Elephants Log of DAT #: 8A Engineer: Bill McQuay Date: February 23, 2002 KP = Katy Payne AT = Andrea Turkalo MT = Mya Thompson MG = Melissa Groo ES = Eric Spaulding AC = Alex Chadwick Bill = Bill McQuay At the Bai with Katy and Andrea and Alex 0:04-1:25 some noises¿rustling, something being dropped, a bag being unzipped¿and whispering. 1:25 Bill Okay, this is the Zeppelin spaced omnis. Okay, and this is Saturday, Feb. 23. We're in the mirador. It's 2:01pm. 1:45- whispering. Group getting organized, setting up, figuring out where to sit, etc. 3:01 KP (Katy Payne) Who've we got that's interesting here, Andrea? 3:06 AT Who's interesting¿Well, Matilda 2 is out there. He's been orphaned. 3:12 KP Oh, he has? 3:13 AT Yeah. 3:13-3:17 FX fly buzzing around 3:14 KP He's the black one out there? 3:15 AT No, he's the little guy in the back, he's got a red spot on his head. And his tusks are asymmetrical. His mother disappeared and his sister disappeared. But sometimes he hangs around with one of his siblings, a juvenile female. He's related to Penelope. 3:33 KP Oh he is? 3:34 AT He's in that group yeah. 3:36 KP Now you say with a red spot on his head? 3:38 AT Yeah, he's to the left of Miles and CB. 3:42 KP Right. And Backwards seems to have her mouth permanently open. 3:48 AT Yeah, she's always next to big males in holes. She'll even stand next to males and wait, to see if she can get anything from him. There's a couple of females like that. 4:01 KP Aida. 4:03 AT Aida 2 is to the left of Miles. And she has that habit of hanging around big males. 4:10 AC Which one is Miles? 4:12 AT Miles is the big male in the central hole. He's facing right. He's been around like for the past month and a half. Since Katy's been here he's been around. 4:24 KP He's one of the ones that mated with the female, with Teardrop, during that big storm of males one after another after another climbing on top of her. 4:40 AT He's not very dominant. I've never seen him in musk either. Yeah, it's a pretty slow day today. We had that big rainstorm last night. 4:58 KP You think they're in the forest at little pools. 5:01 AT Yeah. They don't feel real compelled to come in today. 5:07 AC Andrea, there are two elephants a little further on who don't look so big and they're kind of pushing each other around that hole. 5:15 AT Oh, that's Liza Seree and a juvenile female. Yeah, he's in a hole and she's getting a little too close to him and he doesn't like it. Yeah, and he keeps on pushing her. There's a lot of learning going on. 5:40 KP learning about who's dominant to whom this moment and then ten minutes later and then ten minutes later again. 5:49 AT And there's so much competition in this clearing for these select holes where they can get minerals. So it's constant pushing and displacement and getting what you want or what you can't get. 6:01 KP Why do you think the males are less attracted to these sandy pits closer to the mirador? 6:10 AT Cause I think they're smaller pits. And I think, physically, the males can't handle the smaller pits. They prefer the big pits probably because of their tusk length. I think their tusks get in the way. 6:21 KP Right. Forest elephants specialty is the length of the males' tusks. 6:29 AT Yeah. Even at an early age. I mean you see that Liza 3. He's probably a 7 year old and he's got tusks that are probably 40cm long, which you never see in Savannah. Juvenile males. I was recently in the savannah and you don't see this pre-cocial tusk development. ... (Notes truncated)
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