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Subject 1: (Interview). Subtitle: Richard Leakey. Timecode In: 00:01:36. Timecode out: 00:27:43. Notes: Paleontology; Paleoanthropology; Leakey family. Subject 2: (Interview). Subtitle: Louise Leakey. Timecode In: 00:30:01. Timecode out: 01:02:16. Notes: Paleontology; Paleoanthropology; Leakey family. Equipment Notes: Split-Track tape sync recording. Show: Leakey Hundredth Anniversary Log of DAT #: 1 Engineer: Date: July 8, 2003 CHRIS JOYCE INTERVIEW WITH RICHARD LEAKEY LEAKEY IN NAIROBI CHRIS IN STUDIO 3A 1:53 CJ: How do you think paleoanthropology would have faired if Louis had not come back to Africa? 1:59 RL: I have often thought what the situation would have been had Louis not come back to Africa. And I think there is no question many discoveries would have been made. But whether they would have been made in the timetable that they were made, whether the public interest in paleoanthropology would have been quite what it was, had it not been for Louis coming back here ¿ it is very hard to say. I honestly find that a very difficult question, but I don't think that there is any doubt that he had a huge impact on awakening public interest, initially in England, and later in the United States. 2:36 CJ: I was thinking, reading back reminding myself of the discoveries of the earlier part of the twentieth century, that Robert Broom had done some amazing things and Raymond Dart in 1924. There was established that there was human origins in Africa as well as Asia and Europe. What do you think Louis Leakey added to the foundation that Broom and Dart started? 3:07 RL: Well I think that the Dart and Broom work in South Africa certainly attracted a lot of interest before the 2nd World War. I think as a result of the 2nd World War, public attention was sort of lost, and it hadn't really come back in terms of the subject by the time we get to the end of the 50s ¿ I mean yes, Africa was known to be a place where ape men come from, but I think the Olduvai find that my mother in fact made, but which Louis made so much publicity from, was the fact that we had ¿ and it turned out not to be correct initially, but an association, of an early human life fossil, with stone artifacts, in deposits that w/in a year were dated. And for the first time we have an absolute age of human ancestors at one and three quarter million years, associated with certain implements. And I think it was the association of the dates and the implements that fired public imagination, particularly in the United States, but also in Europe. Prior to that there have been no age for these creatures and we were lead to believe that fossil ancestors were probably half a million years old at the most, and there was no way of knowing. So I think that the dating of the Olduvai fossils was probably the most exciting consequence of his work. 4:47 CJ: Was that the '59 Zinjanthropus, or the Homo habilis of '64? 4:43 RL: Well, as it turned out, his excitement that led to the team coming in to do the dating was on Zinjanthropus. By the time the dating for Zinjanthropus had been established, they had discovered Homo habilis, and so it was all the fossils thereafter could be tied to a common chronological scale, which made them quite different from any previous discoveries in China or in South Africa. 5:10 CJ: And that took place some 30 years after your father had already been working in paleoanthropology in Africa, if I got the numbers right, and that is an awful long time before a significant pay-off. Do you think he ever ¿ or Mary Leakey ¿ every doubted what a fool's errand we are on here? 5:32 RL: No, I think if you view the site, if you look at what they were working with ¿ the certainty that something would be found, I don't think was ever in question. There were masses and masses of stone tools, masses and masses of broken a... (Notes truncated)
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