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Subject: (Interview). Subtitle: Katia Buffetrille. Timecode In: 00:03:13. Timecode out: 01:06:01. Notes: Tibetan pilgrimages; Sacred mountains. Equipment Notes: Stereo=1; Split-Track tape sync recording. Show: Geography of Heaven - Kawakarpo Engineer: Bill McQuay Date: July 26, 2005 Interviewer: Bill McQuay Interviewee: Katia Buffetrille, Tibetologist Sound checks/etc. Trouble setting 1:59 BM- How are you this afternoon? 2:00 KB I'm ok, it's not the morning for me¿I will go to the country tomorrow. 2:20 BM- is your engineer recording? 2:40 BM- We're recording here. Can you count backwards from three? 3:00 KB- Trois..deux..un 3:18 BM You've been studying pilgrimages for ten years now.. 3:29 KB I did my studies in pilgrimage in the 90's and since I did several pilgrimages and mainly I went three times on Animachen mountain in Xinghai because I wanted to see, during a 12 year cycle, what changed with pilgrimage in the modern time. I also went to Kiberry near Siga(sp?) and of course also¿ 4:12 BM Excuse me, we're having some technical problems 5:01 BM Katia, I'm sorry, let me start again. SO you, as I understand it, have been studying pilgrimages to sacred mountains for about 10 years¿why? 5:13 KB- Why? Well it's because I started my PHD, as you know we need to find a subject and it was in the 90's and it was not possible to go to Tibet and stay in a place. Myself I belong to the mountains, I was born in Chamonix, a place at the seat of the Mont Blanc in France. So I was in love with the mountains and I thought that it was a good idea to walk on pilgrimage around sacred mountain because it was a fascinating topic, a lot of people are going there. 6:01 BM So you're a mountain person. How would you describe Kawa Karpo? Is that how the Tibetans would pronounce it? 6:22 KB Yes, Kawa Karpo is the Tibetan name. It's white pillar. Not white pillar, it's white snow, sorry. 6:38 BM What distinguishes this mountain? 6:43 KB The first thing I have to say about Kawa Karpo is also I spent quite a long time there. I saw the lake because you have to also. It rains there. I just saw the top of the mountain, as physical aspects, I just saw the pictures other people took. 7:11 BM Let's start with the thing that you suggested: What makes a mountain special or sacred to someone? 7:25 KB- Well maybe we have to start with some general consideration and for many people Tibet is Buddhist. It's kind of synonymous, say the word Tibet and people think Buddhism. But I think that it's important for the people to know that Buddhism came to Tibet only in the 7th century, and this was the time when Tibet as a country appeared in the world history because the first document that we have were found at the beginning of the last century in Dunhuang In central Asia and it's the oldest document we have on Tibet. So what happened with that, it's a very difficult document to understand and all are not studying until now. What other people discovered (because I don't work on this document) that there were, before Buddhists came, you had a religion in Tibet, and it seemed that the central cult was the mountain cult and you had among other things, you had one which was called Ula which is a territorial god. So a lot of studies have been done on that and It's not exactly the same in all Tibet, in Tibet you can't generalize everything, but the most common is the Ula mountain is a territorial god in the mountain, which is specific to a village or political federation and for the people it is regarded as the ancestor of the population in their territory. These deities is represented in the iconography as a war god on a horse and he's always wear helmet and armor. Most of them are male, but some of them are women. People see them as human beings, and they see them with their strengths and shortcomings exac... (Notes truncated)
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