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Subject: (Interview). Subtitle: Peter Matthiessen. Timecode In: 00:01:36. Timecode out: 00:13:50. Notes: George Schaller. Equipment Notes: Stereo=1; Dual-Channel Mono. NPR/NGS ¿GEOGRAPHIC CENTURY¿ LOG OF PETER MATTHIESSEN - FOR PIECE ON SCHALLER STUDIO 2D (PM AT WPBX IN LONG ISLAND) AUGUST 16, 1999 INTERVIEWED BY DON SMITH 1:42 PM - ¿Peter Matthiessen¿ DS - going on another trip with him PM - incorrect 2:00 DS - from your time with him on the road with him in Nepal - what kind of person is he? What does he look like? 2:10 PM - George is medium tall and rangy, bony and strong. He has been lugging telescopes and cameras around in difficult places. He is in very good shape - he stays in good shape. 2:28 DS - that is pretty much necessary for what he does 2:31 PM - well, it is so necessary in fact that he told me once while we were in Nepal that he doesn¿t do any contact sports - he doesn¿t ski or do anything like that bc his legs are so valuable to him. He can not afford to injure a leg. 2:51 DS - it sounds like someone who is dedicated to an extraordinary degree to what he does. PM - Indeed, George has very much - has his eye on the ball DS - he is famously on the solitary side -wouldn¿t you say? 3:08 PM - He is - kind of a loner, yeah, I guess so in general manner. Somebody asked me one time what our social life was like, and being a little bit that way myself we didn¿t need a great social contact. We would have breakfast and talk and have some coffee and then we would set off for the days treking north and we would often be a half mile apart looking at different things. We felt no need to be on top of each other. We always we glad to see each other at meals, but you know in the evening we would compare notes and talked, but we hardly ever chattered. 3:55 DS - he is not an extremely chatty person I guess - 3:59 PM - chatty would not describe him - no. 4;01 DS - do you suppose those traits are bc he is a naturalist - come to be that way - prefer the wilderness to civilization or do you suppose that he was like that before and that is why he became a naturalist. 4: 15 PM: I think the latter would be far more likely. I know many naturalist who are very chatty indeed DS - but he does seem to prefer the wilderness to civilization 4:27 PM - he does. I think he likes that - he likes that silence - he likes being alone is his own head. I think like many people he is introspective and he prefers his own company certainly to chatter and to most of the conversational intercourse of the streets and the offices 4:48 DS - he has done so much pioneering work in different areas of animal behavior and study he has written so prolifically - but one thing I am realyl curious about - he is not anywhere near as famous as a person - say - like Jane Goodall or Dian Fossey. Do you have any ideas how that comes to be? 5:08 PM - I think if you are a woman and you are studying wildlife you are apt to be more famous than a man doing the same work. I think the media pick up on that, you know, much faster. I think that Dian Fossey also came to a violent end and then Jane being there - the social life of the chimps - that appealed to people, so she got the coverage in Nat Geo and other places that Schaller - in fact I can¿t think of any male naturalist except perhaps Cousteau, and Cousteau had a big publicity machine going there - I think Schaller has a normal amount. I think Schaller is very well known and for very good reason. He is very well known by his peers and in his field and that is where he wants to be. He is not a media darling in any way. DS- How would you appraise him as a writer. 6:10 PM - he is a very good writer - he writes far better than most scientists that I have read DS- he was actually writing haiku at one point 6:26 PM - well, he wasn¿t real... (Notes truncated)
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