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Subject: (Interview). Subtitle: Alan Rabinowitz, Michael Sullivan. Timecode In: 00:01:04. Timecode out: 00:59:19. Notes: Wildlife trade discussion. Equipment Notes: Decoded MS stereo. Show: Thailand Wildlife Trade Log of DAT #13, Interview with Alan Rabinowitz Recorded in MS Engineer: Charles Thompson Date: September 13, 2003 In order of appearance: MS=Michael Sullivan AR=Alan Rabinowitz CJC=Carolyn Jensen Chadwick 1:16 MS: Here's the thing I was most impressed and scared about when I heard your lecture the other day when you were talking about the close and uneasy balance ppl with wildlife, and how killing off the wildlife is more than just wacking a couple birds or taking some birds home for you, when you take those birds out of the forest it has consequences for the forest. And that's what I want you to tell me again. I mean crudely put, you go to the market and you see the little birds in the cages and you go, who the f cares? AR: Ok, there are 2 sides to that Q, but the balance the ecological balance is a really important one that most ppl don't to seem to get, not at its core, they understand -- even the participants at this course ¿when you talk about eco balance, that nature's in balance with human beings, they go yeah, yeah, yeah. They understand that at its surface level. What they don't understand b/c then they'll go on to say almost always, BUT we have higher priorities such as poverty alleviation such as human health issues such as all these other things so clearly what they are not understanding is that what they consider a low priority is in fact feeding directly into the things they're considering high priorities. The eco balance of wildlife and the forest feeds directly directly in and we could show so many examples but feeds directly into human health issues, feeds directly into poverty alleviation issues. We could go to ancient examples like malaria and we could go right to recent examples like west Nile virus, like SARS, like all kinds of things which have been in the wildlife community for who knows how long. They are not new things which have just popped up, they are new things which have popped up within the human comms and which have become human health issues b/c the balance has been upset in the forest. Wildlife often acts as reservoirs of diseases in such a way that it keeps it away from human kind. It balances it. it keeps everything in control and that when we go in and we either wipe out a forest or we create an empty forest which is having the sheen of a pretty forest but all the wildlife is gone, we're completely throwing out of wack that eco balance. Which then in turn has direct consequences to things like agri bc of pest species, insect pests, rodent pests and all kinds of other things which were controlled by the wildlife and it has direct consequences with human health issues such as diseases that were kept in check by these wildlife pops which are no longer kept in check. 4:36 MS: You're making a direct link here btwn things like west Nile virus (WNV) things like SARS and the depletion of the forest. AR: Absolutely, the link is very, very clear. I mean, it's not always so clear ...it's very easy to understand the link and it's even easier to see it. you can't always point to yes see we chopped down this forest and brought this species of monkeys to the ground and therefore AIDS came out into the comm. that direct, direct link is a tough one to make bc stepping back the evidence is gone by the time you try to make that link. But whenever we investigate further as to why all of a sudden things are occurring like a pestulance, like a disease, we clearly go back to natural issues to these things having been in nature already but having been kept in control by healthy forests and healthy wildlife pops. 5:45 MS: so the answer to the Q why should I care abo... (Notes truncated)
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