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Subject: (Interview). Subtitle: John Hare. Timecode In: 00:01:11. Timecode out: 00:24:50. Notes: Crossing the Sahara Desert. Equipment Notes: Two-Track Mono recording. Show: John Hare Interview Log of DAT #: 1 of 1 Engineer: Studio 2A, Arthur Date: 12/6/02 JH = John Hare AC = Alex Chadwick 0:13 AC John tell me, tell me where you're from in England? And what your village is? We're just going to get a level here. 0:24 JH I live in Benenden in Kent, Kent in Southern England. Alex talks with them about England. Getting level. Alex asks Arthur if he is putting it into DALET. 1:13 AC First of all, how do you want to be identified? I always ask people that at the beginning of an interview because it's easy to get that part wrong. 1:19 JH Yes, of course. How do I want to be identified? Hmm¿of course with my work with the wild camels I would call myself a conservationist. Part conservationist, part explorer I think is¿if you don't like that. 1:34 AC That's good. 1:35 JH Part conservationist part explorer, because that's really what I do. 1:39 AC Let me ask about the inspiration for this trip. 1:43 JH The inspiration comes from years ago in the 1970s, I read a book called across the Sahara which had been written by a man called Hans Vischer, and I'd worked in northern Nigeria and so had Vischer both of us worked for the same institution in what used to be called the colonial service. I was the last and he was one of the first in that service, and I was entranced by his book which was a walk across or a ride across the Sahara desert with camels at a time when there was a lot of disruption in that area because the boundaries weren't completely stable. And it was such a modest account. He sound a very, you could read between the lines that he was a very modest man. And I thought what a fascinating thing. And he wanted to go back and do a return journey and was stopped. Not unnaturally but rather harshly by his boss there. I thought gosh one day I would like to do that journey because at that time I was very involved very much with camels as I have been for a number of years. 2:56 AC So the expedition that you eventually do first imagine and then undertake is about as close as you can make it to Mr. Vischer's expedition. You have no vehicles you have no backup. The only concession to modern times is a satellite telephone. How often did you actually use that. 3:25 JH Umm¿how often did we use it? I used it occasionally when there was, for example we had a great friend of mine called Jasper Evans who came with me from Kenya, he was a bit worried about his wife's health and one of two things like that and he telephoned. We had a bit of a problem at the Niger ¿ Libyan border although all our papers and everything were in order Libya being what it is, if you come to a border post, they have to refer it to a higher authority who refers it to a higher authority. In other words people cannot take decisions. And uh, we looked like we were going to be stuck there for quite a long time and we had no food for the camel. And so I telephone the British embassy in Tripoli and asked for there help. It was vital then. And to answer your question, I think it was about 6,7,8 times. 8 times at the most. 4:18 AC But you wanted to make this expedition as close to Hans Vischer's expedition as you could. That is, you like that style of traveling. 4:29 JH Well, it wouldn't be right for me if we had a back up vehicle and a medical team that other people take, or even television cameras actually because I find that you're doing an expedition for television. And its fine, we're all different. We all have our reasons but I find that. I couldn't do it like that. I have to do ¿ I explore like the old fashioned explorers I suppose. 4:58 AC Your companions you're taking along, there's an old friend ... (Notes truncated)
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