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Subject 1: (Interview). Subtitle: Allen Pinkham. Timecode In: 00:02:15. Timecode out: 00:37:30. Notes: Lewis and Clark. Subject 2: (Interview). Subtitle: Stan Tate. Timecode In: 00:39:20. Timecode out: 01:31:20. Habitat: Coniferous Forest. Equipment Notes: Stereo=1; Decoded MS stereo. NPR/NGS RADIO EXPEDITIONS Show: Lolo Trail Log of DAT#: 6 Engineer: McQuay Date: July 26, 2001 02:17 AC: It's July 26th and it's 11: 15 in the morning at the Powell Ranger station in Idaho on Route 12 along the Locksaw River. Powell Ranger station is in the Locksaw district of the Clearwater Nat'l Forest. We're behind the district house that Jeff Fee stays in when he's up here, and we're going to talk to Alan about the trails that L&C took over the mountains and the most difficult part of their journey that they'd come to when they got to the Rocky Mountains and try to find their way over. They find a series of trails that are so clear that L&C refer to them as roads, and I think that they were roads. (3:30) 3:40 AP: My English name is Alan Pinkham. My Nez Perce name is (something ...), given to me by my father. I'm a Nez Perce that lives in ?, Idaho on the Nez Perce reservation. And position I have now is with the National L&C Bicentennial Council. I'm the tribal liaison that works with the tribes that have any connection with L&C and what occurred with L&C. So -just trying to get tribal involvement in the bicentennial, so if there's any opportunity for that tribe ..to participate in whatever L&C activity or stories or whatever that they can ...tell their own stories. (4:43) AC: ...What we're going to do is say this Bicentennial is coming and people are planning for it. .. One of the pieces is going to be this trip ...The other piece is going to be just a couple of interviews and I'd like to talk to you about that ...What is it you would like to see happen with the bicentennial commission ...as a native person's representative. 5:28 AP: In the journals and other renditions of L&C, or historical interpretation of went on with L&C, rarely do you see a tribal position written. in a journal or a historical rendition of L&C and their encounters. And my concern of that other half of what should have been in that L&C journal is never in the journal and that's the tribal perspective of what the tribes thought of this military expedition or this reconnaissance patrol that was coming into their tribal territory. That is never reflected -either it's "oh these Indians are very friendly and they accepted all our gadgets....and they were good Indians..." Or it was at the extreme of what ocurred with the Black Feet -they had a fight with them and had to kill a couple of Black Feet. (6:41) .. Another portion of this is that some tribes heard that L&C were coming...and they would look down at L&C and say, Oh, there they are, and look at them and then turn around and go back. (7:01) AC: So they knew they were coming? 7:03 AP: Oh sure. There's no great mystery about it ...We knew L&C was coming and eventually it was prophesized that these strange people would come among us one day. And they would bring some strange things with them, both good and bad. This is a long prophesy...Basically, when these...strange creatures came among us, we would question, are they human beings, b/c they don't look like us -they got this pale skin and some of them have eyes like fish, and they smell¿.. So what are they? And then when we heard them talk and they were giving out things, we said, maybe they're mixed with some other creature -they're half human beings and half some other kind of creature b/c they don't look like us. So this is some things that weren't ever put into any historical rendition...or even in L&C's journal (8:35) AC: Would there be some debate in your community of whether you should have any role in a bicentennial celebratio... (Notes truncated)
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- 24 Sep 2008 - Ben Brotman
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- 24 Sep 2008 - Ben Brotman