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Subject 1: (Interview). Subtitle: Yvonne Sadovy, Christopher Joyce. Timecode In: 00:00:14. Timecode out: 00:10:34. Notes: Fish trade discussion. Subject 2: (Sound Effects). Subtitle: Street sounds. Timecode In: 00:19:37. Timecode out: 00:32:15. Notes: 38036. Subject 3: (Interview). Subtitle: Samuel Lee, Christopher Joyce. Timecode In: 00:32:18. Timecode out: 01:07:06. Notes: 19Feb2004. Market place discussion. Includes conversations with merchants. Equipment Notes: Decoded MS stereo. Subject 2 and 3 at Location 2. NPR/NGS RADIO EXPEDITIONS Show: Radio Expeditions, Hong Kong Log of DAT #: 4 Engineer: Date: 2/18 MS 0:10 CJ- So where's the next generation going to come from if you take the juveniles is where you left off. M-This is the problem. When you take these very small fish, if they're not put into captivity they may well die, but actually a large number of these small sized fish, these small juv would very well survive to adulthood. So, it's not as if you are getting something for nothing by taking them out of the wild and putting them into floating cages. And I think that's where there is one of the misconceptions. CJ-And if they did survive to adulthood they may be able to reproduces so essentially what you are doing is... M-Yes, that's right...CJ-Taking them before they get a chance to reproduce. M-To reproduce, and you(?) nature balances if you take up way too many juv you won't have enough adults for the population to persist so. I remember trying to explain this to a collegue of mine in Indonesia and he was saying ¿what is the problem with taking the young fish¿ and I was trying to think of some way of explaining this and in the end I said well, what do you think would happen if you took away all the children from Jakarta, what do you think would happen? And he said, oh, okay, I understand. The point being that these are the potential adults of the future. So there's a very big gap in what we perceive or what we understand as marine culture, fish farming. Certainly with groupers, within this region, within SE Asia, does need to be addressed. So marine culture, I believe will be a part of the solution to take pressure off of the wild stock of some species. Second another, sorry, some species, there are several other species I think need to be introduced b/c this marine culture is going to take a number of years. One of them is as many cultures begin to realize how valuable live fish are for their local economies, probably they will start to control the number of fish that are sold or exported or taken, depending on the country. That might mean that consumers have to pay more, but it is a luxury fish, we're talking about a luxury market anyway. But if several of these species are taken at the rate they're currently taken at, then economically that would be a bad thing for the source countries. 2:35 M-One of the ideas that was suggested recently was we have this concept of at marine protected area as a way to protect fishers, well somebody suggested recently why don't we reverse that, why don't we allocate areas for example fisheries like this, like the live reef fishery, and only allow businesses to take live fish from particular areas, and then when those stocks are depleted you have fish to regenerate. C-Then you would need some sort of certification process? M-Yes, or close controls, or whatever, but the idea there is to look for creative approaches to whether they're reverse controls, whether they're protected areas, marine unprotected areas where fishermen go until they've depleted those areas and then they're not allowed to fish until the fish regenerate. There needs to be some novel and creative approaches dealing with this fishery, if it is to persist. I mean, I like to eat fish, lots of people like to eat fish, I like to eat Brucca (?), and I would like to cont to do so, ... (Notes truncated)
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- 20 Jul 2010 - David McCartt
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- 20 Jul 2010 - David McCartt
- Edited
- 20 Jul 2010 - David McCartt