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Subject: (Interview). Subtitle: Jumanda Gakelobone, Roy Sesana. Timecode In: 00:02:17. Timecode out: 00:44:21. Notes: Kalahari Bushmen of Botswana; Indigenous peoples' rights. Equipment Notes: Stereo=1; Decoded MS Stereo. Show: Bushmen of the Kalahari hike -Roy Sesana Log of DAT #: 2 of2 Engineer: Leo Del Aguila Date: September 2, 2004 LD: Okay Julia this is DAT 2, Sept. 2 2004, we're with the Bushmen, this is kind of like in the day, sitting by the pond, shade, beautiful day, setting up our recording set up. Leo, Carolyn and Alex are shuffling around, trying to figure out where people should sit. AC (00:02:18): First, could I ask you to say, I would like Roy to say his name and who he is in his culture. Jumanda (00:02:29): RS (00:02:41): Jumanda (00:02:47): I am Roy Sesana, I belong to the Gana Tribe. AC (00:02:54): To the what tribe? Jumanda (00:02:55): Gana Tribe. AC (00:02:57): Could you spell it please? RS (00:02:58): Jumanda (00:03:02): G-A-N-A AC (00:03:13): And what are you, are you the chief of the tribe? Jumanda (00:03:17): RS (00:03:23): Jumanda (00:03:34): Not yet chief, we don't have chiefs, but the spokesperson, I'm representing the community. Itis far from the ...? (can't understand) My grandfather used to be the leader of the tribe. Interrupted by someone's conversation of/mic. AC (00:04:17): Okay, why have you come to the United States? Jumanda (00:04:22): RS (00:04:25): Jumanda (00:04:39): Urn, here in the states to solve the problems which is between me and the government. I've been evicted from my ancestral land. AC (00:04:51): When were you evicted? Jumanda (00:04:52): RS (00:04:56): Jumanda (00:05:04): My group was evicted in 2002. RS (00:05:11): Jumanda (00:05:15): Some have been evicted in 1997. AC (00:05:23): So where do you live now? Jumanda (00:05:25): RS (00:05:27): Jumanda (00:05:36): Still stay inside CKGR but now most of out time I stay in ... AC (00:05:48): Say that again, slowly ... Jumanda (00:05:54): I'm still inside the CKGR, but now I spend a lot of time outside the CKGR at the office because I'm working with the organization as the First People of Kalahari. AC (00:06:06): Jumanda (00:06:12): I'm probably inside the CKGR at the place known as Molapo. AC (00:06:20): Smolap Jumanda (00:06:22): Molapo AC (00:06:22): Molapo ...a town? Jumanda (00:06:25): Not a town, it's a... (AC: Settlement? Jumanda (00:06:28): yes, settlement. AC (00:06:30): Do you, ah. Well 1 made a mistake, 1 didn't ask for the name of the interpreter first, so tell me your full name and how we should refer to you. Jumanda (00:06:40): Jumanda Gakelobone ...1 am also a ? from the Central?, a country known as Botswana, I'm also of the Gana tribe, 1 also do work here with the First People of Kalahari. I'm with Roy Sesana now, to do some interpretation for him. AC (00:07:03): Are you a Bushman? Jumanda (00:07:05): I'm born Bushman. AC (00:07:08): Born Bushman, what does that mean? Jumanda (00:07:10): It means 1 am a full Bushman, not half-Bushman. AC (00:07:17): What is a Bushman, ask, Roy, tell me what a Bushman is. Jumanda (00:07:23): RS (00:07:26): Jumanda (00:07:35): Couldn't ... ? ... how he understands the weight, means a certain tribe, and he share, some tribes doesn't, they look upon it, they don't think that they are human beings, ...? .. the name is only used to oppress, that kind of person. AC (00:08:01): ...to oppress, that kind of person. Jumanda (00:08:04): Yay. AC (00:08:06): So a Bushman is not even human? Jumanda (00:08:10): RS (00:08:15): Jumanda (00:08:49): We are...?... a certain name, all this name, as he said, Bushman, Bushmen, Buswara, is the name we have been given by other tribes like ...?... out of Botswana which stay with, so to him ...?... AC (00:09:14): I'm sorry, say that again... Jumanda (00:09:16): ...?... So this word is us... (Notes truncated)
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- Cataloged
- 14 Jul 2010 - Ben Brotman
- Digitized
- 14 Jul 2010 - Ben Brotman
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- 14 Jul 2010 - Ben Brotman