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Subject 1: (Interview). Subtitle: Chris R. Shepard. Timecode In: 00:00:28. Timecode out: 00:32:19. Notes: Speech on illegal wildlife trade. Subject 2: (Interview). Subtitle: Anthony Lynam. Timecode In: 00:36:06. Timecode out: 01:21:11. Notes: Speech on illegal wildlife trade. Equipment Notes: 2 channel mono. Show: Thailand Wildlife Trade Log of DAT # 3, Lectures and Questions: Chris Shepherd and Tony Lynam Recorded in MS (actually this is 2 channel mono) Engineer: Charles Thompson Date: September 7, 2003 0:28 Chris Shepard: (?) ...being seized. China has seized shipments of scales alone that weigh two tons. That's a lot of pangolins (?) 0:35 By the way, sorry, this is Singapore, and this is Malaysia. Singapore obviously this is re-export, a lot from Saba and a lot from Indonesia. 0:51 It's in demand for meat and medicine. There's some uses for magic. People in north Sumatra carry the dried tongue of a pangolin around in their pocket...protects you from curses. But it's not a big threat to the pangolins. It's a threat to that pangolin, but it's not a huge demand. Um, meat and medicine, the medicine coming from the scales is the big demand. 1:13 The source, same as the fresh water turtles, started up here near the china border, china being the market, and it slowly vacuumed out the south east asia. The trade seems to be increasing dramatically. The shipments going out, the size of the shipments are growing. This is a map of some of the trade routes. It's not all the trade routes used. 1:39 But this is one of the main routes with Malaysia being a collection point for Malaysian pengalins as well as Sumatran. And then from there is goes by road. Up through Thailand, Lao, Vietnam and into China. Vietnam remains the major gateway to southern China. And our biggest problem is what's happening to wild pangolins. I've seen one wild pangolin ever. Where they're getting them from is the most common question that people ask. 2:14 It's probably like the turtles where everybody who works in a rural situation or in the forest knows that if you find one you can sell it. So one collector might only get one every two or three months, but when you have two million of these collectors out there, it adds up. But what's happening to wild population. We have no idea. 2:31 It's a slow breeding animal. So it's obviously not a sustainable trade. But we don't know where we are. Because it's going to disappear very soon or what's happening. We don't know. 2:43 Ok, CITES appendix two zero quota should be the most strict international legislation you can get. CITES one you can still collect and sell for non comm...or...sorry...you can still collect and export for non commercial purposes. With this you can't. However they are the most heavily traded. 15,000 individuals seized in Thailand in 2002. These were all seized on the Malaysian border in Southern Thailand. 3:07 A little about the population. But what the major challenge is is how do we get things happening. We can talk about this when I'm finished my presentation and the questions. But what's gonna happen with the pangolins. It's illegal everywhere in every country represented here it's protected. But every country represented here has massive trade with the exception of the Phillippines. So it's something that has to be dealt with. 3:39 Ok fresh water turtles. It's a similar issue just larger volumes. More species. More than 30 species have been listed on CITES two since 2000. In 1999 a number of organizations met in Cambodia and presented a number of startling facts of what was happening with the south east Asian turtles. This was followed up by another meeting in KunMing and a lot of research by a lot of organizations and individuals pushing for better protection. 4:10 And listing them on CITES, that's great, but CITES is only as good as the... (Notes truncated)
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