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Subject: (Interview). Subtitle: Bujma Ould Handag, Alhaj Ould Bukana. Timecode In: 00:12:32. Timecode out: 00:58:42. Notes: Issa Mohammed translates; Saharan caravans; Salt mining. Equipment Notes: Decoded MS Stereo. Show: Mali-Tuareg Music Log of DAT #:4a Engineer: Leo Date: January 12th, 2003 IM = Issa Mohammed RC = Roberto Cerea BH = Bujma Ould Handag AB = Alhaj Ould Bukana WD = Wade Davis AC = Alex Chadwick Leo = Leo del Aguila Carolyn says this is Dat 4a and they're going to a place with camels and salt in Timbuktu. It is January 12th, same mic set up as Dat 3a, stereo ms. Alex says the guy who owns the place is going to be interviewed. 2:49 RC-We are looking at the salt bars and the salt bars were brought down from Taoudenni several days ago and they started handing Timbuktu in the area (?) before to be brought through the area where there will be salt. 3:09 AC-And they're just stacked up here, these salt bars are, actually they look like slabs of marble. RC-And if you pay attention they are different colors, different more white, less white because they are quite a different price. And the bars are brought down by the camels. And the camels have four bars of salt and there is a set of (?) for the bars, a (?). And there is a special name, an Arabic name for the 4 bars of salt. Roberto Cerea (pronounced Cheria) 5:45-9:09-Ambi. Setting up for interview, background sounds. 12:39 IM-My name is Issa Mohammed and I am the president of Timbuktu heritage institute. Alex wants Issa to ask the professor to pronounce and spell his name. IM-Translates 13:00 B-French IM-Ya, he said my name is Bujma Ould Handag and he is an expedition, a Sahara expedition guide. AC-And could you spell his name please? Buj¿ IM-Um, hm, Bujma. B-U-J-M-A, O-U-L-D, H-A-N-D-A-G. And Ould means son of Handag. AC-And this gentleman here, please. IM-His name is Alhaj Ould Bukana AC-A-L-H-A-J, O-U-L-D, B-U-K-A-N-A. And what does he do? IM-Translates AB-French 14:20 IM-He's a caravan man so he worked on the caravan and the delivery of the salt. AC-Can you tell me is he a Berber? IM-Translates AB-Arab IM-Arab, okay, yes 14:43 AC-So where are you from? Where are you from? How did he come to be in the caravan? IM-Translates 14:56 AB-French 15:12 IM-So he said at that time he was residing in Araouane which is we will be passing through Araouane on the way to Taoudenni, and right at the age of 15 years old the main occupation for young men is to get involved with the caravan. AB-French 15:40 IM-Ya so it was almost like an initiation and if you don't get involved with the caravan then your friends will be teasing you and will not respect you. It's like you are not standing up to your being a man, someone who wants to face challenges. AC-If he is from Araouane tell him I bring him greetings from Fritz and Ernst. IM-Translates AB-French AC-They know who he is. He's the guy who planted his gardens and all that stuff. So what do you get when you work on the, does he work for you? IM-Translates AB-No 16:46 IM-No, he is independent contractor. AC-So would he has his own camels that he takes up to the¿ IM-Translates AB-French 17:08 IM-So he's saying yes, he had some camels and in the event he no longer have camels then he can rent the camels or he can also be a guide to people in the vehicles. So they are looking for the alternative as the ecosystem is deteriorating. AC-So do you have camels now? IM-Translates AB-French 17:53 IM-Ya, he has some camels around. Ya here, they are with the family. AC-And if you go to, so you go to Taoudenni, how long would it take you to go to Taoudenni? IM-Translates AB-French IM-40 days from here to Taoudenni on a camel. These are very brave merchants. AC-40 days... (Notes truncated)
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- 19 Feb 2010 - Ben Brotman
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- 19 Feb 2010 - Ben Brotman
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- 19 Feb 2010 - Ben Brotman