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Equipment Notes: Stereo=1; Dual-Channel Mono. NPR/National Geographic Radio Expeditions Don Smith/Loren McIntyre Interview October 21, 1998 .... Cuts in midsentence LM 00:00:04 He's a controversial character but I liked him very much. I was never close friends with anybody down there because I kind of made it a point not to be. Not to be geared into anybody in particular. [DS-Good idea ... ] I had problems with Garrett because I was the only one who would talk back to him in a slide session DS 00:00:28 He didn't like that? 00:00:29 LM 00:00:30 I think in the long run he did like it because I was one of the few that would. DS 00:00:36 Say who you are ... identify yourself.. 00:00:44 LM 00:00:45 I'm Loren McIntyre and I'm identified by the name Loren. DS 00:00:52 What do you do? 00:00:53 LM 00:00:54 I'm a writer, photographer and sort of an ex-filmmaker although I did work on an IMAX film last year that was up for an Academy Award I'm happy to say and I now work more in Brazil than I do in the United States. DS 00: 01: 14 What do you think that you are best known for? 00: 01: 15 LM 00: 0 1 : 16 For the discovery of the ultimate source of the Amazon. The lake up there that is now on the map carrying my name. It's kind of neat after having spent most of my life in South America to have been put on the map so to speak. DS 00:01 :37 Percy Fawcett? Most people have never heard of him but at the time of his disappearance it was a famous case right? 00:01:49 LM 00:01 :50 I first heard about it when I was a youngster listening to a crystal set radio on my pillow in Seattle when I was a school boy. DS 00:02:03 How famous was it at the time? 00:02:06 LM 00:02:07 Well for me it was because I was an addict of the Sunday supplement of the Seattle Post Intelligence. It had all kinds of sensational stories. Not as sensational I suppose as they have these days but at that time it was such things as the Hungarian suicide song and the baroness in the Galapagos and their deceased lovers and Percy Fawcett having been lost in the wilds of Brazil with his wife presumed spiritualist and in contact with him somewhere while he ruled as the white king of a lost savage tribe and such things as that were pretty neat for a kid in grade school. DS 00:02:55 A newspaper group launched a search. 00:02:58 LM North American Newspaper Alliance, yes. I believe it .. Fawcett was being partly financed by them at the time that he managed to lose himself and the search was financed by the North American Newspaper Alliance who sent a famous explorer George Diet to look for him in 1927. DS 00:03:20 And so they kind of guaranteed that this had a lot of media attention. 00:03:24 LM 00:03 :25 Yeah they took.. They had complicated radio equipment with them and they talked to the states everyday and their eventual escape from Indians that had presumably, 2 years earlier had done away with Fawcett. DS 00:03:44 Let's back up and talk about who Percy Fawcett was and what brought him to South America.00:03:50 LM 00:03:51 Percy Fawcett was a British army officer who was posted in Salon when he met his wife, Chicy who survived him. In about 1960, he was elected by the Royal Geographic Society to go as an army officer and a surveyor, which he was, a trained engineer, to help in the surveying of boundaries between Bolivia and the adjacent Peru and Chile. Sort of the result of the War of the Pacific, as it was called at that time in 1879, between Chile and Peru in which Bolivia lost it's Pacific coast and Chile took over the nitrate fields and occupied actually Peru for about four years until 1884. And something had to be done about the boundaries and Fawcett got picked for the job. DS 00:05:02 Well England was in the middle of a war at that time. 00:05:03 LM 00:050:... (Notes truncated)

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