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NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
28 Sep 1998

    Geography
  • Canada
    Alberta
    Locality
  • Banff National Park border area; Panther River
    Latitude/Longitude
  • 51.6183   -115.6024
    Channels
  • Stereo
    Sampling Rate
  • 48kHz
    Bit Depth
  • 16-bit
    Recorders
    Microphones
  • Sennheiser MKH 30
  • Sennheiser MKH 40
    Accessories
    Equipment Note
  • Stereo=1; Decoded MS Stereo

NPR/NGS RADIO EXPEDITIONS "Y2Y" -DAT #8 [MS -Sennheisers] Monday, September 28, 1998

Ambi 01:17 -01:46 [VG] Locking windows at cabin AC: Locked up, show me the route. KH: We're camped on the Panther River. Now we're headed down the Panther River ..over the park boundary, out of the park, then take the Dog Rib Creek, over Ribbon Flats, cross the Red Deer River to the Ya Ha Tinda Ranch ..... fairly open, not too steep, cross open pastures, probably about six hours, about 20 km, maybe more ..... AC: 10:15 and about 40 degrees. Another great day.
03:46 -05:05 This is Alex Chadwick [gate open ambi] on Day 4, the last day, we've just closed Barrier Cabin, we about to saddle up and head out for a long ride across the Panther River ¬heading into the Ya Ha Tinda Ranch, it's a horse ranch owned by Park Service [gate open] One of the important things we've found on this expedition is a daily radio check. Every night at 9:00 and every morning at 7:30. They call into the warden's headquarters here, and the most important thing is a daily weather report. It's going to be clear today, we're going to be dry on the ride
05:19 -05:53 + ambi from standup This is the last day four expedition. My seat is more comfortable than I would have expected after three days in the saddle. My knees hurt a lot. This is what I hadn't expected, Nothing to do but saddle up, got about six more hours of riding ahead of Then this part of the expedition is going to be over..... .
07:00 -problems with tape. Then ride on. Alex tries to talk while riding [ng] [Riding alongside Panther River. Leaving Banff National Park. Forest covered with moss]
Ambi riding into river -good but Bert is talking whole time [ng]
Ambi -trotting [ng] Crossing river but Bert is talking again [ng]
Ambi -walking along -still a lot of Bert talking, then some on mic chats with Karsten.
* Ambi -23:26 -25:00 [mic turned around to Alex] Walking along with noisy saddle squeak AC: [on horseback] We're riding across a meadow here through groves of pussy willow on either side, aspen up on the slopes that are changing to yellow, and they're set against a clear blue sky [horse coughing -good] with a spike of green in there [G] + ambi KH: This is another major hunting camp -guide who has hauled biggest elk ... series of American hunters up here. A few years ago, government did something auctioned off permit to hunt later [no] $250,000 to get one big horn sheep.

28:49 A lot of what Y2Y is trying to do is to bring hunting organizations on board as well because we're all interested in the same thing in having long term sustainable populations of wildlife. Something like Y2Y is going to sustain big horn sheep and elk populations as well for hunters. AC: Big horn sheep, how many have we seen? KH: upwards of 50 Park acts as a reserve of wildlife....In this valley don't have a lot of hum a development, but do have pretty intensive hunting pressure for 2-3 months of the year ..... more reo Elk. You can also see here, flagging on the fence ....run by solar panel. ... keep bears out.
* 31 :34AC: You told me that when you're walking, you call out to the bears.
31 :38 -Karsten yells out [VG] Everybody has their different bear calls ...... again 32:00
+ ambi to 32: 17 -then walk off. ..... not very good ambi because of talking.
* Ambi-33:50-34:35 VG walking into, across, and out of stream -very short and good
*FX -34:50 -34:54 2 Horse blows on trail -stream on left side
*Ambi -34:55 -36:30 quiet walking on trail -fine for under copy -[little tiny bit of mic bumping]
*Ambi -38:15 -39:06 Walking on trail with aspens blowing -good windy sound, river on left
+ more walking through aspens until 40:50 -then walking on, stop/start and more walking, horses + Alex at 43:06 -stopped at hillside on way down to Panther River¬ saw mountain sheep -maybe 20 yews and lambs, stopped looking at us, watching us watch them until 43:45 -Alex retake until 45:07
45 :20 AC: low sagey, blue grass here, grove of aspen golden yellow orange, then a line of green fur just at the ridge of the hill, then sharp blue sky, below 20 mountain sheep have stopped to graze and watch us move by -100 feet away [45 :56]
FX -46:06 = 46:20 Grazing horses stopped on trail
More ambi walking along trail **Ambi 56:20 -57:40 Windy aspens #2 -with horses walking along trail Ambi 59:00 -1:05:46 more ambi -mic bumping [NG]
**Ambi 1:05:46 -1:07:34 Aspen #3 Horses walking and blowing nose at beginning [4x] -windy aspens -quiet walking, Then @1:06:25 more active sounding trail still with windy aspens [watch mic] FX~ 1 :07:30 -1 :07:33 Horse whinnies
** Ambi 1 :09:33 -1 :09:50 Horses trotting
**AX: Karsten Heuer on horseback: 1:10:17 - 1:10:38 + ambi to 1:10:54 KH: We've just turned up heading north from the Panther River and we're headed up the Dogwood Creek which will lead us onto a height of land of open meadows called Ribbon Flats, and we'll drop down the other side and cross the Red Deer River and come out into the open plains of the ranch, the Ya Ha Tinda Ranch.
+ more ambi of walking on trail and a lot of horse farting to 1:11:40
AX-KH: 1:14:22 -1:15:00 This linear set of meadows is called Ribbon Flats, and if you look yonder about 10 miles there's a bald hill, there's a ranch, Ya Ha Tinda Ranch. [windy] probably 7-8 km to go Lot of horse blowing, windy
+ ambi of flowing stream [nice} + horses munching. To 1:15:25
* FX 1:17:27 -1:18:03 Ravens
**Ambi : 1 :20:04 -1 :20:44, [also 1:23:23 -1:24:00 -but with people talking in background] all riding on horses together -bit bumpy with the mic
AX: 1:20:45 Perky-When it does open up, we're going to be looking at the Ya Ha Tinda Ranch, which in the First Nations tongue means "prairie in the mountains, mountain prairie" ¬13 sections of grass opens up into a wide open meadow, quite the site [1 :21 :5] two ways around the park, do it on horseback or hiking -Something's gotta be done, more and more people, gotta be a happy medium, between wildlife, terrible thing to see it ruined, [lot of talking behind] going to have to be a cooperative effort -not just leave it up to one person -what Karsten's doing is opening a lot of eyes something for my kids and grandkids [1:23:22]

**AX -interview with Karsten on horseback AC: Tell us about physical geography been through
1:24:34 KH: In general since I left in Yellowstone on June 6, the topography has been getting more and more rugged all the time, but what we've done in the last few days here, we've gone over from the main ranges of the Rockies out into the front ranges, so right now we're a couple of ranges east of the Continental Divide and closer to the foothills, and Because of that we're in much more moderate terrain. We've just come over the top of a mountain, more like a hill compared to what traveling through in past couple of days. AC: Physical reality connect -all one geologic/geographic system. KH: Ya, literally the southern end of the Rockies to the northern end -is Yellowstone to Yukon, study region extends farther. But one of the most important things to note about this geography is that it already naturally constricts wildlife to certain movement paths, can't go over the cliffs, can't go over the glaciers. If you viewed it from the air what you'd be seeing is a whole maze of rock, and this linear strips of green, one linked to the other by low elevation passes and so what's happening with a few of the regions in the Y2Y area is that things like town sites and transportation corridors, highways and railways are superimposed on that already constricted landscape, and therefore causing blockages, whereas if out in the prairie, wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue. There's only so many movement routes, now one thing in the past couple of days, We literally haven't seen one person for 4 days on trail, and no significant development. Glad you guys started this from Bow Valley and Banff trailhead. What I've noticed from Yellowstone to Yukon so far has been that area is for most part similar to area we've been passing through. Very intact, but are the key areas like the Bow Valley, like the Bozeman/Livingston area in Montana, like the Rogers Pass, Crows Nest area, that are starting to cut across the Rockies, turning it into smaller parts. Historically, we wouldn't have thought it was much of an issue, but recent evidence from scientists -reo Genetics, and movement range -is that we much larger contiguous areas, something 17 times larger than Banff National Park ....not become inbred ..... .
Very rock ambi AC: What has surprised you most in the trip so far? KH: The most surprising thing was how much of it is still there. I really expected the Montana portion especially to be a lot more fragmented to be a lot more impacted. A good way I like to explain it to people, I've now been on the trail for about 80 days, And of those 80 days, there's only been 14 I've not seen evidence of grizzly bear activity, tracks, scat, and so the grizzly bear is only one indicator of an intact system ..... grizzlies first to go if road densities, development gets too high etc.
[1 :30:49 -then good Ambi on trail crossing down rocky slope 1 :31 :08] 1:32:15 KH: It really isn't a pie in the sky idea. What Y2Y is proposing isn't massive restoration of a landscape that's impacted. What it's really proposing is keeping what we have today. But in order to keep it we have to recognize a lot of the stresses that threaten it. And the stresses certainly at this point aren't widespread but they're localized, and significant. [ a bit off mic] You only need a kilometer or 2 band of highways surrounded by development and that pretty much presents a complete barrier to wildlife moving from one side to another. And so what Y2Y is proposing is that in those key areas maybe to have some small scale restoration, overpasses or underpasses and making plans for areas that are getting intensively developed to make sure they don't completely develop and cutoff all wildlife movement ....1:33:50 + ambi of walking on trail to 1:34:30
Ambi behind Chuck of walking on trail to follow interview with Karsten to 1:35:40
* 1:35:55 -1:36:40 [VG]
Ambi -walking over rocky trail and into stream [short] -then mic bumping
1:37:00 -1:38:10 [ok] Ambi -another stream crossing -bigger stream AC: That is the Red Deer River. And that's the Ya Ha Tinda Ranch, and our ride's about over. 1 :38:50 + ambi of quiet walking [on trail-not on stony trail]
* Good at 1 :39:40 -1:41:10 [more stony, so sounds distinctive -quite good bed for under copy] gets WINDY -walking through meadow [ng] 1:43:00
FX -1:42:55 -1:43:10 [quick horse snort and horse blow] but could extract both from talking
Ambi -1 :44:00 -1 :46:59 -walking to Ya Ha Tinda -with ravens in distance FX 1 :44:35 Horse blow while walking on road
Ambi 1:49:00 -1:55:00 More distinct walking on road
Ambi 1:55:00 -1:55:27 Ambi -walking through tall grass -short but good
Ambi: 1:55:45¬Squeaking saddle as walk along [ng] -also very windy
FX 1:56:48 1:57:07 Horses whinny -3x [quite windy in this whole last section]

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