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NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
17 Aug 2004

    Geography
  • United States
    Alaska
    Yukon-Koyukuk County
    Locality
  • Gates of the Arctic National Park
    Latitude/Longitude
  • 67.47267   -153.24096
    Channels
  • Stereo
    Sampling Rate
  • 48kHz
    Bit Depth
  • 16-bit
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  • DPA4060 mics.

NPRINGS RADIO EXPEDITIONS
Show: Wilderness - Alaska
Engineer: Bill McQuay
Date:08/14/2004
E-Elizabeth Arnold
3:50 do you have much sense of whose using this place, (there's so many different places to come from, Kotzebue, Kobuk Valley, bettles,)generally it's people looking for an adventure that on average take a couple weeks, people from all over the world, some spend a month some spend a whole summer so they can do a nice four week trip down the Noatak River..there's a lot of different places to fly in and you can tailor trips in, .. a few people hike in from there, but people do that.
5:51 we really try to help people figure it out on their own and so if they're planning something that's undoable we might help them out we would never say you can't do that, generally people are well prepared and have done their homework. We just have to help them with the fine points.
6:42 we have very few regulations at the moment, we manage by keeping the group sizes small, not an issue, in terms of length of stay we don't limit that, so that hasn't been a problem people tend to travel down the rivers and keep moving like the caribou migration.************
7:36 well most ofour management practices are not codified in regulation they're common sense but we've tried to keep them to a minimum our plan is to have a plan that when needed, and until that time we try to keep the experience and opportunities as broad as possible. *
9:00 I think we better go over here a little bit more (bear)
14:46 got him, right in the river bank, oh I can see him with my bear eyes, he's good sized. There may be more than one bear. He's a big bear. ********
20:40 walking wind
21:58 talks about bear and we go right into the river. .. (maybe use) "and we're upwind"
23: 17 good loud river ambi, coming out of it..leaving it..
26:12-27:36 walking ambi of the both of us for previous interview
28:33 pretty consistent levels of summer visitation, they spend quite a bit of time here.

29:31 untrammeled by man, but trammeled by caribou, some of these valley were hundreds of thousands of caribou come through, they leave their mark here..***
30:18 what do you think about that word untrammeled? I think they meant it in a general sense, not just trails and hiking, general impacts, wilderness areas were intended to be something different so I think they meant it in a general sense, pretty vague though isn't it, why weren't you guys more specific ...with a smile they said that's you're job and the public and I thought that was a pretty good answer, they've set some guidelines, hey here's the vision ..its up to you and public to figure out the best way to proceed within the policy they set. *****
(nice because there's a pause in it)
33:39 look at this it's almost a wagon trail here from the caribou
34:00 what about the guy who says he wants a bridge here...for everyone that says we need an improvement we get a hundred that say don't touch it, and you know with careful planning it's really not a problem ..you've got the whole range..or do an easy stroll like we're doing right not..this is an easy stroll huh??? that big bull's watching us.. (nice easy chunk) ********
36:33 another reason I travel so slow out here, you really need to stop and look around a little otherwise you miss stuff...********
39:27 is it still humbling for you out here, yeah, I feel personally fortunate, but as an american as a part of a society that values places like this 0
40:57 well I think that european immigrants were certainly looking for a new life and that frontier attracted ..
41 :58 oh look caribou yeah they seem to be moving west..they're spending this time ofthe year in the brooks range and they'll winter ...
43 :44 some people have referred to the brooks range in general as the ultimate wilderness, I don't know there's a lot of wild places around and this is certainly one of them..i don't like to think of it in terms ..

44:15 it's certainly one of the last places in the western world that was mapped and visited and that was just in the last 75 years so (brooks) you know the interior of ak was difficult to get to by european explorers 0 natives had it mapped) so from modern western civilization it's certainly one of the last places in north america that was mapped and understood and the army actually came up in the late 1800's took sailing ships up the coast and they didn't make it this far*

46:07 I would hope there's still lots of wild interesting places in ak that are not developed that don't have the formal protection this place has and I think that's neat but in the long term the likelihood of that continuing becomes less and less
46:51 I think it's our job to protect this place and allow the natural systems to continue in perpetuity and that's somewhat of a new concept. () certainly that idea I think came from america and part of the frontier and as people moved west they realized how this land was so fresh and that adventure of discovery was so important, this is the last western movement I think in part the reasons these places were set aside bob marshall and other wilderness advocates to protect that american heritage of frontier. (that's a big part of what our country's history was and is about)************************
48 you asked about direction I get much of guidance from ..legislation etc .. alaskans etc, (good if you want) they wrote and spoke very eolquently in the congressional record about the importance of this.
49:20-50:25 ambi for previous interview
57:56 without a doubt this was the biggest conservation legislation certainly in our country it was massive, it was unprecedented. ()
,
1:00:55 certainly it's a place (wilderness) for people to enjoy and recreate and be inspired by wild places but a lot of people are inspired and receive quite a bit of satisfaction we hear this all the time in just knowing there's places out here that are wild and uninhabited where these natural processes are allowed to evolve without the strong influence of human pressure () and what a great opportunity to inherit these places that are still so intact and so wild, there's very few places on earth left like this the timing was critical on this.
1 :02:24 that's a real balancing act when there's needs and values that society but I think that says something about the strength and wealth of our country to be able to do this.
1:06:35 a wilderness ..where man himself is a visitor and does not remain. (reads)
ambience 1:12:04 -1:13:30
1: 13 :49 river ambience (loud but from a distance ..kind of generic)
1: 15 fiver ambience with pretty nice strong wind.

1:19:48 promos
1 :20 ambi for the promos (wind) 1:30:00 faint sound of plane (too much movement on ground)

1 :30:26 faint sound of plane in clear. (good)
1:31 :02 pretty loud, approaching
1:31 :25 right overhead
1:31 :42 exactly overhead and flies over

1 :32:25 actually landing .. coming up to us
1 :32:50 good ..(great) 1 :33 :02 ..... great!! chugging very present
1 :33:41 you can hear water and engine together nice (waves)
1 :34:08 sound of plane stops, just water lapping, (loud) not sure if we should use the gravel scrape

greetings? You guys looking for a ride? You got any room in that thing? ()1 :37:51 nice a little bit of birds and water but just a few seconds (loons)
1 :40:24 loading up ..
1:41 :16 loud booms, moving stuff around
1:41 :27 and this is bear spray here. Better leave it with those guys, well they have two and the gun.

1 :42:47 beaver aircraft..gives the drill ..handle is behind the door, emergency locator emergency equipment, should check it..(better drill than the first guy) .
1 :46:36 I shall return that's what mcarthur said, four years later
1 :46:50 good nice close start from outside of plane!!!!! (compare with inside for best)

1:47:16 starts taxiing away, nice and quick sequence could have take off pretty quick. (or use other)
1:50:31 starts take off from far away ....
1 :50:59 up and over our heads ... 1 :51; 16 already fading ...nice good wind right there ..nice!!! (might be better than other because of wind ..but plane ambi is present longer)
1 :52:46 good wind by shore of lake (can kind of hear water too)

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