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Dave Mills, Elizabeth Arnold  







Wilderness Area discussion  

NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
15 Aug 2004

  • United States
    Yukon-Koyukuk County
  • Gates of the Arctic National Park
  • 67.47267   -153.24096
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  • Subject 1 is decoded MS stereo. Subject 2 is split track.

Show: Wilderness - Alaska
Engineer: Bill McQuay

E-Elizabeth Arnold
2:17 walking wind before diary
3:44-3:56 Blank
bleached boneyard ofantlers, caribou trails, passes in all directions
3:56 Liz talks about what they did today.
13:52 so we spent all day today going nowhere really and we'll probably do the same tomorrow. (bird in background) (spin the superintendent). It was a long day today, it was a big day, but when I try to think about what we did today we just walked, climbed, picked things up .. .look around at the weather, mountains ...
14:59 nice bird.
15:03 you know there's this feeling you get when you're dropped into someplace vast and wild and just raw..(there's nobody around and won't be for some time, if ever and you know that anything might happen here and nobody will ever know.)
16:00 and it hits you first and it hits you hardest when the sound of the plane starts to fade and then it's gone.
20:14 And as far as you can see is just mountains and rivers and lakes and nothing's named and nothing's on any maps, I don't know maybe it just kind ofputs you in your place.
18:34 and you know anything could happen and nobody might ever know.
18:07 Better-There's a feeling you get when you are dropped into a place like this, just vast, wild, and raw. Just big. There's nobody around and there won't be for some time, maybe never, maybe nobody's ever been here before. Anything could happen, nobody might ever even know. It just hits you, it hits you first and hardest right when the sound ofthe plane starts to fade and then it's gone. It's a feeling ofbeing small and unnecessary and vulnerable. The scale out here is just huge. It's just so vast. It's just big and you're just so small and it doesn't give a damn about you. It's going to go on being like this in spite ofus, and that's what wilderness is supposed to be, maybe what congress had in mind, left to evolve, change, all without interference of man.
19:50 So today we hiked and looked around, spent 8 hours just looking around. As far as you can see there's just mountains and lakes and rivers. Nothing's named and nothing's on maps very clearly. The sky is just huge. You can see weather from long ways away. It puts you in your place.
20:54 There's a little bit offear here, that bear's not far away ...
23:09 Ambi. Walking through, wind.
Interview wi Dave Mills (day 2)
25:16 this is definitely one ofthe most remote places and far away from places ...
25:50 really a blank spot on the map, you know they really didn't know what this part of the brooks range was like, there wasn't a map to describe it and this opp to explore and discover, although he gave the reason he was going to research plants .. so that's part ofwhat we're trying to continue with recreational users here an opp to go to places that haven't been traveled much if at all so that theme ofdiscovery in a wilderness area is still important. *
31 :06 its in the parks enabling legislation, solitude and discovery, discovering .. but just to let a place be takes work.
32:36 this pioneering, frontier concept was obviously very imp to americans and we've got that in a wilderness area and an opp to experience it..
33:13 you know nature is in control out here, it forces me to tune into my environment's just that part ofit forces me to be a little more alert and be more observant.
35:50 I think the wisdom that is saw in the congressional acts that protected this place is in understanding the history ofour own country and perhaps the world in the need to think ahead generations from now, what's this place going to be like and the foresight () it's a good idea to look ahead and preserve, this is more than a remnant, that says a lot about our culutre and people that we have the wisdom and weath to set aside large areas not just for us for generations ... (?)
37:44 yeah last chance to really do it right the first time and try to learn from what we've done in the past and do things perhaps differently and along with that concept people realized this was an opp to set aside large areas ..and for that opp ofsolitude, you can't do that in little postage sized areas aas easily as large areas so this was probably our country's last chance of seizing the opp to try to do it right the first time. I like to think about this like the beginning ofyellowstone .. when I think of it that way it's an incredible responsibility but hopefully with a hundred years experience we won't repeat some of the mistakes that have taken place. ***
largest string ofprotected areas from Canada all the way across the arctic to the chukchi sea..800 mile spine ofbrooks range in the middle ofit. (vision ofbob marshall in 30's)
41 :02 its pretty much reality now, a collection of wildlife refuges and national parks that makes 40 million acres wow. Of land. ***
41;57 Gates 8 and a half million acres, south side ofpark southern slopes ofbrooks range, spruce forests up to continental divide, treeless tundra stretching out to the north slope of brooks range .
.44:55 goa coined by robert marshall who came up to explore and map this place and he
was coming up the north fork ofthe koyukuk which is a boreal forest that comes to a
valley that suddenly the trees ate gone and it was the gates to the arctic and named that
between rugged mountain peaks, boreal mountain and frigid crags he called that the Gates
to the Arctic.
48:31 some people prefer not to necessarily go to all the places, just knowing that a place xists out there and its still in its natural state is an important part of life and feeling content and good about what's there, that certainly was a big part ofthe support for protecting these places ..
57:52 the fact that we are really in the formative years ofjust setting the stage that's a big responsibility to realize that can set the tone and set the history forever, but I feel really fortunate ofwhat we've inherited here is really a second chance really, an incredic1y pristine land, I won't say it's easy but it's really a blessing of sorts to start out with something that is just so well preserved .....
1:01 :00 136 mosquites in one hand swat
1:03:32 spontaneity, another part of wild places that's important to try to maintain and its easier if you have a large land base. No permits
1:05:27 do you have a favorite place out here? I don't my favorite place is a place I haven't been yet 0 and actually my favorite places tend not to be the monumental dramatic places I like to go find just a place nowhere a little lake and just sit and contemplate, we have a lot of monumental rugged landscapes and they're neat but I think a lot ofpeople just like fo find
their own place somewhere.
People die here.
1:07:21 slow down and become more observant. You don't have to block out, you let it all in. (refocus)
1: 11 ;00 this is a long term game we only do out little bit and pass it on so my concern is we don't do any harm and kind of leave it as it is and pass it on as good a staet as we found it with perhaps better knowledge ofwhat makes these places so special. *******
remote takes time and money to get here. Where is here. Nature ofwild places that keeps them wild.
1: 16:03 "the foresight of the people before us in thinking about what really beomces more precous as time goes on in setting aside places, and each one has some specific significant thing that public thought was important enough to recognize and not forget about it. this is a big statement here in terms of acreage and I think it says a lot for the american people and our leaders to have given us that gift. And it's not just us hopefully its for generations and generations if we use it and manage it appropriately***********
1:19:43 ambi for this interview, in ms

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