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NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
6 Nov 2003

    Geography
  • India
    Uttar Pradesh
    Locality
  • Govardhan Hill
    Latitude/Longitude
  • 27.50015   77.46656
    Channels
  • Stereo
    Sampling Rate
  • 48kHz
    Bit Depth
  • 16-bit
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  • SONY TCD-D8
    Microphones
  • Sennheiser MKH 20
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Show: Geography of Heaven; Vrindavan, India
Log of DAT #: 12
Engineer: Flawn Williams
Date: November 2003

DAT 12:
twin 20s miking. Resume Thursday Nov 6 just before lunch. Ambis at ashram, pilgrims passing outside gates, then quiet garden within. After lunch, interior courtyard ambi of ashram. Back in cars, drive to other end of hill, walk up steps through hillside town. Water sounds in gutters, feet on stone steps. Talk with Nandan at hilltop temple. Up to the top level in time for unveiling of deity, crowd reactions. Parrots nearby. Party group arrives, dances in top level with drum and cymbal. Back down the hill, past shops blaring chunks of pop songs. End Thursday recordings.

(0:03) Car door opens. AC: So this is lunch Flawn? FW: Ok.

(0:45) Nd: So what we see here, giving water to the pilgrims who are very thirsty, is also part of Braj culture. One of the essential cultures to this holy land is to give water, give drinking water to the thirsty pilgrims. This is just one ample of the culture, there are pother cultures also, like that. By doing so, one who gives water to the thirsty pilgrims considers that by doing that he is acquiring some spiritual merits, like accumulating some money in the bank account. SO they are accumulating some spiritual merits in their spiritual bank account, kind. In this way.

(2:00) Ambience of street life, animals, honking, talking, driving past, etc. CJ and someone are talking off mic about California. FW joins in conversation.
(4:30) Cars drive past, honking loudly.
(5:20) A musical horn honks past. A bird squawks.
(6:10) children off mic play, people talking gets louder, a train(?) cart(?) rolls past.
(6:45) Children are talking, laughing.
(7:05) A motor hums past, getting louder, roars past. General Ambi of roadway continues.
(7:50) A car honks loudly. General ambi continues, more of the same: talking, cars sputtering and roaring past, in distance and close to mic. Honking of cars and birds.
(9:50) A car motors past loudly, other sounds of town life are fading/ have faded. Birds and shuffling of feet, footsteps most pronounced sounds, although cars continue to drive past in distance.
(11:30) footsteps, people talking in background, footsteps in foreground.
(12:30) getting closer and closer to a motor.

(13:26) FW: How can I go up stairs? How can I go up stairs? (in background, a man's voice asks: are these stairs here?)¿Thank you¿
FW is trying to get up the stairs, AC comes down to get him. Ambis in background, city life, honking, jingling of bells, life, people (crowd hums below)
(Mans voice: Oh yay, this is the season, Khartik¿.)
Tape stops and starts
(15:06) Tape begins again, phone ringing in background, people talking, shuffling, general ambi of enclosed room¿people talking (men mostly)¿room hums¿

(18:17 to 18:27) Tape stops, blank tape rolls, tape starts again¿Nd's voice in background, having a conversation¿General ambi of room, cars can be heard in distance. (19:50) Swishing sound begins, like a faucet in background, stops and starts. Nd's conversation continues¿

(20:34) Tape stops and starts again in different location: driving in car, car is braking, screeching¿keeps on motoring¿(21:10) honking, driving, gear changing as car accelerates¿
FW: we're just after lunch, at the monastery. We've driven down a very active road, and now we've gone through the village and we are heading for something up on the hill. It is Thursday afternoon. General ambi of driving continues¿
(22:55) Car stops, car doors open, people get out, doors shut, slam. People are talking, birds are squawking. Children are shouting off mic.
(23:48) A man shouts close to mic. Another man shouts: Rade Rade! Others join: Rade Rade!
(24:20) A cow bell jingles, a cart rolls past. FW: leave shoes here? Nd: I left mine here but you can wear yours¿
(25:00) People are talking close and off mic.
(26:00) A motored vehicle rolls and sputters noisily past. Nd: Look at the chair have you seen?
(26:50) Sound of water spilling onto ground, children talk, shuffle, general ambi¿group is figuring out which way to go as children run past¿
(27:50) Begin to hear music in background, now busy street life, car honks close to mic (28:20) Water is spilling into water, like a fountain, music continues melodically in background, water close to mic. People continue to talk. Music percussion continues like a heartbeat until stops abruptly at (29:15) A man calls out. People are calling out, talking close to mic. More music in background, (FW: let's get something to drink) faint music, distant, people talking and shuffling close to mic.
(30:00) Music beginning to get louder, it is sweet melody, confusion of sound and talking and melody all at once.
(31:04) Bicycle bell jingles past.
(31:10) Fountain, water spills into water. Music louder in background¿ People talking. Very sweet, happy sounds, water in forefront, music in background, people talking generally.
(33:00) bell is ringing accompanying rest of sounds.
(34:24) A young child's voice close to mic, a happy voice, sweet and young. Two children talk and laugh close to mic. A motor sputters in background. Music continues in background, water continues¿An older man's voice¿
(35:20) Sounds fading away, water sound fades. Can still hear faintly music and people's footsteps, children talking and laughing, adults talking and laughing. (35:53) An old man calls out, Rade Rhani¿
(36:50) Footsteps (up stairs?) A man calls out sporadically, ¿Radhi Radhi!¿¿
(37:29) A child calls out: Radherani's grandfather grandmother (laughs and giggles)¿An older man speaks.
Nd: Yay, you need to rest¿you are almost half way. A child talks close to mic.
AC arguing with ND about who is going to carry things. General ambi continues, people stepping, talking occasionally, laughing occasionally, child's voice cuts through occasionally.
(39:50) Man speaking, his voice echoes a bit, we are inside large room (?)¿
FW So is this the other end of the mountain? The other end of the hill? Man: No Goverdan hill is over there, so we are looking down on it. Nd and woman are talking in English,
(41:19) Hose begins to spray, man begins to talk quickly.

(41:55) Nd: This is one of my most favorite places.

(42:09) small child is talking.

(42:16) AC: What did you say Nandan?

(42:19) Nd: I said this is one of my most favorite places, favorite sites, because this is the place related to our divine goddess Radha Rhani.

(42:32) AC: And why is this place hers? What happened here?

(42:37) Nd: Because she was brought up, she was born nearby, and mostly brought up here, in her full-swing, natural way. So¿

(42:52) AC: And wasn't this 5 thousand years ago?
(42:55) Nd: Yes.

(42:56) AC: There was a village here 5 thousand years ago?

(42:59) Nd: Yes, yes. But the village we see here today, a little bit changed. But the inner flow of tradition remaining similar.

(43:13) AC: Same flow of tradition, the village is a little different.

(43:15) Nd: Yay, same flow of tradition still going on.

(43:18) AC: There has been a village at this site for 5 thousand years.

(43:22) Nd: Yes but in that time, in that time you know the nature of village civilization was different that from what you see now I mean externally different, but internal flow is still going on, but anyway because we consider that time like golden age, you know, so even though it was this place had some village civilization, but it was a perfect kind of model, village civilization, perfect kind of village civilization. Which we consider to be the model.

(44:15) AC: Ok.

(44:17) Nd: Okay.

(44:20) General ambi continues, people talking, humming of crown in distance.

(44:44) Nd: Maybe we can some talks, some talks about Radheranni in a spontaneous way. Then after we can have Darsheno (sp),

(44:53) AC: Darsheno?

(44:54) Nd: Darsheno means seeing. We philosophically call, ¿to have Darsheno.¿

(45:08) AC: So where would you go here?

(45:12) Nd: Ah, up on the here on the temple, and also upstairs to see¿So can I continue (AC: yes) in a spontaneous way? (45:26) So now, we are in Bashana, in the palace of Brishalharumnuharaj (sp), father of Radherani. This site, this place is known as having the palace of Radherani's father, King Brishalharmi. Her mother's name, Kirtida Devi. Kirtida, K-I-R-T-I-D. Then, Devi, D-E-V-I. So Radherani was born in a royal family. King Brishalhanu was one of the kings of that time who was famously known as one of the most noble kings. He was of benevolent nature. In other words his nature was so benevolent. And he used to accommodate all with affection under his reign, or under his rule. The village people, the rural people lived here with great peace and happiness. Why I was saying that the village of that time was different from the village that we see now, because it was different as regards of prosperity. At that time, during the time of King Bishelrehamu, village was so full of prosperity. It was rural civilization but a model rural civilization, a prosperous one.

(47:28) AC: Many happy prosperous farmers,

(47:31) Nd: ¿farmers, there are lots involved to bring up the cows, so prosperous farmers, farmers, then cow herds, who had big business of selling out the milk, milk product, mainly two, two professions. Also some of the rural people were involved in some cultural professions, such as local folk singings, dancings.

(48:11) AC: So they have the arts, they have, yes.

(48:12) Nd: They have the arts, and they also used to stage different programs, it's not like a conception of modern stage, but people had their own way, of staging their art programs, different programs, in their own style. So somewhat involved in that occupation also, in this way there was some promotion of some happy rural civilization during that time. We consider the happiness of life is the great treasure. So, when we see even the simple rural people just living their life joyfully and happily, that is considered by the spiritual persons, in the spiritual world that modern life is considered to be high class life, lifestyle, and that, that high class life style, sorry, the standard of life is estimated by the amount and quality of happiness not by the accumulation of so many material riches, but by the quality of a happy life, happiness, joy in life. So at that time, rural people had that great wealth. In these days of course we find, even though, even though even though, some flow up ancient tradition is still going on here like on the line flow, yet the kind of happy, joyful life the rural people used to live at that time, during Brishban, king Brishoban's rule, yet people here happy, simple joyful delightful compared to other village people around. You know more carefree, more carefree minded. (AC: In here now, they are) Yes. More happy carefree type.

(50:48)AC: I just want to kind of keep an eye on Carolyn here (Nd: Yes)¿I'm sorry, go ahead.

(51:04) FW: Yes it's getting a little active.

(51:16) Nd: (off mic) I just told them not to make any sounds. ( On mic) So, now we are in the place of Radheranni, the original goddess. You know. In spiritual world, specifically, in the the world of Bushnavo (sp) or Krishna devotees, Radha is considered to be original goddess. She is considered to be the essence of bliss, quintessence of all beauty and elegance. Embodiment of all brilliance, artfulness. In other words I can say epitome of all artfulness, such as dancing, singing, gracefully love, Simothe Radheranni. Therefore she is naturally considered to be the original goddess, very beloved to the people's heart, devotees heart, and devotees realize ah about the incomparable matchless sweetness and beauty, ecstatic loving potency in Radheranni as they devote themselves to that beloved goddess. So, you may have heard about the goddess who are (?) in India, so this is a perfect place related to the supreme goddess, known by a name, Radha, personified, the personification of transcendental bliss, brilliance, artfulness, gracefulness, everything. (General ambi continues¿ )

(53:32) Sound of coins dropping into a cup (?) unclear what sound is exactly¿older men calling out, smaller children talking, general shuffle and hum of people moving and talking and interacting. Small children talking, singing kind of.

(55:58) Nd:¿that's how original beauty is disturbed sometimes, but please look for, if you look at the distance you can have some idea about the original scene of the Barshanadhan (sp) Still, so many trees are found all around.

(56:18) AC: ¿You look off all you see is plain, fertile fields and trees. (Nd: Yes) As far as you can see. (Nd: Yes.) (56:32) So it looked like this in the days of Radha?

(56:38) Nd: No, it looked more beautiful. (AC: More beautiful?) More beautiful at that time. It was not like jungle of concrete. Now I am coming here after 4 years and seeing that it has almost become some jungle of concrete. But at that time, it looked like, you know, sanctuary, looked like beautiful forest, full of groves, and just natural trees. Still we can find some examples, we can have some example as we look for horizontal line. How do you call in English, horizon?

(57:21) AC: Horizon yes.

(57:22) Nd: Horizon. That's still so nice. You know. So during Radha's time, as I said it was a model rural civilization, so houses are also made of mud, you know, natural mud from the earth, they were beautiful village houses, not concrete houses made from bricks and cement as you see now. Of course, at that time King Brishalhanul also had his beautiful palace at this site. That was of course prepared with the stones, you know, not cements or bricks, as you can find, stones. Some part of this temple got repaired, you know, but they tried to maintain the originality, original looks. Keeping the original looks, they repaired some parts of the temple, you know. So in those days they rich, the kings or rich persons used to make palace, with the natural substance like stones, different kinds of stones.

(58:37) AC: Marble or red sandstone¿

(58:38) Nd: Marble, sandstone, you know, and village people used to have muddy house, beautiful.

(58:47) AC: I have seen mud houses¿

(58:48) Nd: ¿Mud houses, in summer they remain cool¿

(58:50) AC: Yes they are very nice, mud brick covered with mud.

(58:54) Nd: Yes that's right, in the winter season, in the winter season, those mud houses also provide some warmth, how do you say, warmth? (AC: Yes) Natural warmth, because soil has some storing up power, mother earth, so it balances, so it just balances its (?) according to the climate. WE have experienced. Sometimes I have also lived in village life, lived in the mud houses, and found it was just warm, in the winter, and so cool, so pleasingly cool during the summer. (AC: Yes) So, mother earth has always something very natural, something pleasing to offer us.

(59:57) AC: You want us to go up?

(59:59) CJ: (off mic) Yes I just wasn't sure if there was another level to go up to¿ FW: off mic: yes there is, we're just waiting for them to open up the¿

(1:00:06) Nd:¿And so, this whole the whole area of the land is full of Simothe Radheranni's divine memory. (AC: Yes) She actually grew up here from the childhood, so a lot of her childhood pastimes took place in this locality. Even though¿

(1:00:34) AC: They must have opened up stairs¿Yes?¿

(1:00:42) Nd: So even though she was born at a nearby place, ravel, afterwards she was taken over here and she was brought up here, and she first started, sorry, and she first started meeting with the God Krishna from here. So, she first heard according to their pastimes, according to their way, you know the ways of this lifestyle or incidental meetings. In other words, Radheranni started hearing about Krishna from this place, and it so happened that she just journeyed little but far from here, Namnogow (sp), place of Nuhumnaharaj (sp) father of Krishna, and met Krishna over there for the first time, they let her on, beautiful Lord Krishna also came over here, so both of them had very nice, delightful pastimes all over this area, this most holy space, therefore this area is held as very dear to heart of the devotees here, thought to the most sacred space, space of beloved original goddess.

(1:02:29) AC: You want to just record some sound here? Birds? Ok.

(1:02:35) General ambi, birds in foreground of sound, people shuffling and interacting in background.
(1:03:45) Men talking in echoed hallway/room of some sort. Birds still chirping away, general ambi behind.
(1:04:30) Man begins: Hare Krishna Hare Na Hare Krishna Hare Hare! General ambi continues¿
(1:06:50) levels change; sounds like walking up stairs, footsteps shuffling up stairs.

(1:07:12) AC: Now what part of the temple is this?

(1:07:17) Nd: What part? Well, we are going to the main palace of King Brashal (?) ¿Just down stairs.

(1:07:33) Man talks close to mic, general ambi of human interaction in background¿People chanting something/singing in unison, their voices echoing slightly in hallway
(1:08:19) voices get louder, can hear that someone is faintly keeping rhythm. They are singing loudly,
(1:08:40) They begin to call out, loud, confusion of sound, some singing, some talking, some crying out. Rather haunting.
(1:09:40) one voice can be heard over rest.
(1:10:00) Man clapping close to mic; whole group calls out, hauntingly. People talking, shouting, loud confusing hum of many people in enclosed, echoing space.
(1:12:45) is beginning to get quieter, Can hear footsteps in foreground, birds call out occasionally. Sound of people is no longer swelling mic

(1:13:29) Nd: So, just now we had a glimpse into the natural devotion of people to goddess Radheranni.

(1:13:40) AC: There is a curtain at the end of the, kind of the, I'm not sure what part of the temple you would call that, but the is kind of a closed off part of the temple.

(1:13:52) Nd: Right That's considered to be the main temple in other words the main residence of Goddess Radhika. At the time of King Brishalhanu (sp) King Brishalhanu used to reside in those two rooms, original, so, the, in the same original room, now, temple (?) going on. Now, the deity of Radheranni is installed in the same original room where she actually resided.

(1:14:32) AC: You mean Radheranni, her presence is there in that room?

(1:14:36) Nd: Yes. So, in other words, where you saw the installed deity of Radhika, right now

(1:14:46) AC: There is kind of a gravan image, there is a statue of her, (Nd: Yes, yes.) decorated with cloth (Nd: Exactly) and jewels and its very dazzling image.

(1:14:59) Nd: That is the holy deity of Radheranni worshipped here, in the temple, but this temple room is none other than the original room, original site where Simothe Radheranni actually lived.

(1:15:16) AC: Now, they opened the curtain, and everyone could see the deity, and that's when they cheered and cried out their love for Radheranni. Then people came some people came and prostrated themselves and you did that. So what do you feel when you do that.

(1:15:39) Nd: I simply feel some devotional joy in my heart by doing so, because I'm talking for myself, because I know that I paid that prostrated obescience to none other than divine goddess. A beautiful beautiful goddess of our life, like I explained a few minutes ago, who is the personification and embodiment of all bliss, brilliance, artfulness, gracefulness, and divine potency, so to be able to prostrate to her, pay prostrated obescience to her, brings a certain kind of good feelings at heart, feelings of self contentment at heart. That's what I receive. And the way I receive, the people gathered here also have the similar experience.

(1:16:49) AC: They are also receiving the same thing.

(1:16:51) Nd: They are also receiving the similar experience, so it is such an experience here, that we all share together, an experience of natural devotional joy, natural adoration for original divine goddess.

(1:17:15) General ambi of room, people talking and walking, very calming and easy. AC sighs loudly.

(1:17:36) Nd: And, what you saw just now is just a common scene. It is very natural here, always some vibration of devotion is going on here, like this. In morning, before they are before noon, noon, afternoon, evening, until the deity is put to rest. You know, And, people around here, directly the devotees of goddess Radheranni, not Krishna, but they are direct devotees of Radha. And as Krishna is considered to be beloved to Radha, so there fore, they like Krishna, in relation to Radheranni, they have adoration for Krishna but not directly for Krishna. Such is the mentality and taste of the local people here. Their feeling is, ok we have our divine goddess, she is supreme to us. Oh, Krishna, ok, because you are dear to our divine goddess, then we worship you. We love you in relation to our divine goddess, but you are not directly supreme god to us. So, emotional feelings, people.

(1:19:17) AC: I don't know if, ah, look at that, is that a stone monkey up there? Yes up there, ¿up there, you see? (Nd: where exactly) Right up there, stone, it's a statue of a monkey. (Nd: Right, right correct) They glorify the monkey here too.

(1:19:39) Nd: Oh, because, monkeys also have some role here, natural role besides the human beings, like you saw on the way to come here, so many monkeys, here and there, enjoying their natural life. So, since all this spiritual places, Place like Vrindavan, this Barshana (sp), are considered to be land of freedom, free love, not just land of freedom, but land of free love.

(1:20:20) AC: But what does free love mean here?

(1:20:22) Nd: Free love, love, L-O-V-E. So, I say again, land of freedom, and also land of free love, free exchanges of affection, so here people are coexistent, peaceful coexistent, with other housel animals or other kinds of beasts. So

(1:20:49) AC: Every one's a vegetarian here?

(1:20:51) Nd: Yes, yes. Maybe these days few people are coming from outside, non-veg, non-vegetarian, but the original people here, all vegetarian, non-violent. They uphold the spirit of nonviolence so much. They are, some of their most valuable principles are affection to one and all, nonviolence, being accommodating about each other, having peaceful coexistence with other entities.

(1:21:40) AC: But, is this an alright time to ask you about life after death questions that I wanted to ask you.

(1:21:47) Nd: Little later

(1:21:51) AC: Little later would be better, you think, Because it would take to long¿

(1:21:54) Nd: Another aspect of philosophy, intricate, I'll try to explain it in a more simple way.

(1:22:01) AC: a little later¿

(1:22:02) Nd: Little later. So, what I was going to say. You know. Here you saw monkeys, many monkeys, but they are not aggressive type, they have become used with the lifestyle of local people, so it is like two parallel lifestyle going on, here. One, a lifestyle of local people, other lifestyle of the monkeys. They also look little but similar to human beings. Of course sometimes, some of the monkeys get aggressive little bit when they get hungry. They demand food. And the way of demanding their food is to draw attention, draw attention of the local residents, and sometimes the way draw attention, they scream in a certain way, sometimes cry out, scream, and if they fail to draw attention then they come near by you, snatch something, just to trade, trade for food. They may snatch spectacle, or any bag, anything, and then you know that you have to give some food, and then they trade back. In this way. SO because you ask me about regarding the statue of monkeys, people are also loving here to all the inhabitants, besides human beings. They also consider, they are also part of local inhabitants (laughs). (1:24:07) The nature of interrelation between Radha and Krishna, like, Krishna is like sun, Radheranni sun sign. That's how the comparison is giving. That Krishna is considered to be the sun, and Radha is considered to be, a sun sign.

(1:24:32) AC: Sun sign?

(1:24:33) Nd: Sun Sign, sun ray. So one cannot exist without other. Loud music swells from background. clanging of cymbals, people cheering. Some some speciality of this site, of this place is that here people are goddess worshiper, instead of directly god worshiper, they are just goddess worshipper. In male oriented society, you do not often find goddess worshiper, but this place has specialty. So the conception of Indian spirituality accommodates god and goddess both. Male, male form of the supreme divinity and female form of the same divine truth. Am I becoming a bit¿(AC: no, no that is good) Both are personifications of the supreme, divine truth in relation to each other. Ok, so now, so now if you like, you can ask me questions about life after death, or after life.

(1:26:32) AC: (to FW) Is this a good. (FW: do you want to go down to a lower level to a quieter place?¿) To a quieter place¿Maybe we should do it¿

(1:26:41) Nd: Or if you feel it would interrupted then some other quiet place will be best (FW: all the action seems to be up on this level right now so it might be quieter a level or two down.

(1:26:55) AC: Yay. Ah, maybe we should just go back to the compound maybe it will be¿(FW: it's not quiet at the compound¿) Sitting out on the lawn there? (FW: Street traffic¿)

(1:27:19) Nd: So the name of this hill is Brahmachel. Brahamachel. B-R-A-H-M-A-C-H-A-L. Brahama means, you know brahama, means ah, how should I say, the supreme but some impersonal identity of the supreme god, achel means hill. So¿so, anyway he is telling me, (AC: Kids¿(laughs)) Some people, some devotees also view this land in relation to Demigod Brahama. But some deeper meaning, of the word, tom (?), Brahama, you know related to Brahama, Brahama is one of the conceptions of supreme divine truth, so, in other words, another name of God is Brahama.

(1:28:44) AC: We better go to the next lower level, because it is a little better down there to talk, ok¿ (Nd: Ok) General ambi of place, someone clanging a cymbal, banging a drum, talking movement. Someone calls out loudly, making music with percussion of cymbals and drum. Singing. spontaneous music being made.

(1:30:10) loud music being made. Cymbals, shouting drumming, singing. Very inspired/ inspiring. (1:31:00) loud shouts. Clapping along with music. (1:32:00) Music continuing loudly, excitedly¿Singing¿(1:33:10) music pauses for a second, starts right up again¿pauses for a second intermittently¿starts up again¿
(1:38:40) Music stops abruptly. General ambi of people talking, moving, interacting, an occasional shout, drum beat.(1:41:45) a cymbal starts up again¿(1:42:30) Drums start up again¿fade away¿music fades away, general ambi of interacting people continues¿(1:44:10) Gets quieter, people further away. Birds chirping We are outside (1:44:45) Men talking to FW and AC: recording? Fw: just the birds. Kids are screaming and talking. General ambi of interaction in distance. Man is crying out (1:50:00) Man is crying out, singing... Gen ambi gets louder¿busier¿
(1:51:20) child close to mic: Hello? Hello? Hello Radhi radhi radho¿
AC: we're going home, turn off the machine¿Maybe we can find some place where we can get some more of that wonderful ginger tea
General ambi continuing¿loud, dense¿
AC: maybe we have to exit that way¿
(1:54:20) confused but not anxious ambi¿looking for exit. Footsteps, shuffling, men and children talking¿(1:54:50) kids call out, laugh¿small child counting in English quickly¿
(1:56:00) outside, music (sounds recorded) sounds very soft, birds squawking in distance, (1:56;36) kids call out¿general soft ambi continues (1:56:50) people talking, walking close to mic. (1:57:00) people talking, humming, loud footsteps, sweeping sounds¿
Nd: talking about taking pictures, cannot understand exactly¿Nd: Carolyn you can give me your bag. CJ: no, its light. Man talking to them: Hello, you are from rich country? USA? (Nd: no thank you. Man continues to call out. Loud music from stereo passes close to mic. Nd: calling out in Hindi. (1:59:45) Bhindi Music continues (2:00:00) stops for a second, starts again¿(2:01:20) music fades slightly¿people talking (2:01:39) Music stops and starts¿loud, close to mic
(2:02:16) music stops. People talking¿(2:03:15) loud honking of horn gets very close to mic. Out on street, general noises of street. Motors of cars¿(2:05:00) kids cry out. Horn honks close to mic¿(2:05:35) FW: watch your hands (opens car door and shuts car door. Now sitting inside car¿
FW: Ok ending what I think is tape 12 it's the third tape on Thursday¿temple at top of hill¿sundown, Thursday

TAPE ENDS 2:06:37

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