Nandan Swami, Alex Chadwick
Govardhan Hill discussion.
Govardhan Hill ambiance
Includes intermittent conversations.
Nandan Swami, Alex Chadwick
Govardhan Hill discussion.
Govardhan Hill ambiance
Nandan Swami, Alex Chadwick
Religion discussion by unidentified man with English translation by unidentified man.
NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
6 Nov 2003
- Govardhan Hill
- 27.50015 77.46656
- SONY TCD-D8
- Sennheiser MKH 20
2x Sennheiser MKH 20
Show: Geography of Heaven: Vridavan India Diwali
Log of DAT #: 11
Engineer: Flawn Williams
Date: November 2003
twin 20s miking. Resume Thursday Nov 6 walk along quiet pilgrim trail next to hill. Good conversation with Nandan. See snake. Near end of trail, ambis around juice stand, monkeys, cows, flies, juice maker. At end of trail, another lake, with great active women washing clothes and chattering. Quick visit to tiny temple for story from resident swami. Car closing and startup sounds. Drive to lunch at ashram. 1 hr 45 mins.
(0:00) Nd: So sometimes I may not be very well understood.
(0:04) AC: So if I sometimes when I I'll repeat things that you are saying it's because I think that maybe the listeners will need a little help with something¿.
(0:38) FW: Ok, this is tape 10 walking along the hill. Is this where we are going? (AC and FW talk about where they are going, where the path is¿)
(0:53) AC: ¿Is this the path? This is the path here? (CJ: Yay) Ok.
(1:01) Nd: So, just here you see some example of how green the Goverdhan was in the ancient time. This part looks much greener than the other parts.
(1:15) AC: Is the spring maybe near by?
(1:16) Nd: Ah, yes, very near by. Two months away actually. Not so near but, ah, and in the ancient time, the whole hilly area used to look like this green. Also on the top of the hill. So, therefore, it provided good pasturing space for the house animals at that time. But here not so much, now, not so much on the top of the hill, but I really love the natural beauty of this particular surroundings, you know. These are called forest flowers, just simply forest flowers. Some names are not even known by the local people, they just, the sometimes give some names according to their feelings.
(2:25)AC: Do you see the tulis plant around here?
(2:28) Nd: Tulsi plant?
(2:29) AC: Tulsi Tulsi.
(2:30) Nd: Yay we can see not around here but if we just go a little deeper inside we can find some tulsi plants too.
(2:50) Nd: They¿
(2:52) AC: Tell me what, the pilgrims when they go on the pilgrimage, what do they get, what happens?
(3:05) Nd: They get¿.(talking stops abruptly, can hear what sounds like walking, breathing, zipping of bag).
(3:24) AC: Mmmkay¿
(3:25) FW: Okay we were¿
(3:26) AC: Flawn look at this, well now not so many but there was just a parade of color back there behind us.
(3:32) FW: You, you had just asked a question about when the pilgrims make this pilgrimage what happens.
(3:41) Nd: Okay the pilgrims receive a great satisfaction at heart that thereby doing such paricuma (sp) or walking around Goverdhan, not just walking, circumambulating, around Goverdhan, their pleasing divine couple Radha Krishna. In this way they are actually keeping up their internal relationship with them. In other words, it's a way for them it's a way of life for them to express their loving relationship to Radha and Krishna through circumambulation of this hill Goverdhan. Paricuma also symbolizes like, ah, (laughs)¿(pause in conversation,) Come, Come. (hear a photo being taken¿)
(4:58) AC: What kind of a snake is that?
(5:01) Nd: A long kind of snake, ah, it's not commonly found in Braj. It is supposed to contain some poison, but it doesn't attack unless it is attacked.
(5:14) AC: Hmm. That's why you asked me to get out of its way.
(5:17) Nd: Yes.
(5:17) AC: (laughs) Thank you.
(5:31) Nd: Here the creatures are mostly peaceful. Non-violent nature. This is also some effect of some holy land.
(5:40) AC: Uh-huh.
(5:41) Nd: Unless they are attacked by human beings, they don't want to attack. Just as you found by with the buffalos and cows with big, big horns, so much physical strength, but if you just stand still peaceful with them, they just pass by, ok, sometimes smelling you a little bit, looking at you, but they do not disturb you, create any trouble for you. So we also appreciate such nice quality, even in the animals in this locality¿What we were talking about?
(6:19) AC: The spiritual relationship that people have when they, when they circumambulate, they feel that they have a, their relationship with Krishna and Radha.
(6:33) Nd: That they feel that they have, that they feel that they are doing something to relate to Radha and Krishna in some loving way. So this paricuma, or circumambulation is a means to them to express their loving action in relation to the divine couple, you know, because every culture has its own way of expressing certain mood, feelings. So, in Indian culture, circumambulation means that, an expression, and a way of expressing our love, offering our loving respect. Also, right, that's what I was going to say, that circumambulation has symbol meaning¿how do you call it in English? Ok, symbolized¿
(7:35) AC: Ahh¿Symbolic.
(7:36) Nd: Ok, alright, so this circumambulation has its symbolic meanings, which is to go around some object of love, around, round and round, which means embracing, giving a loving embrace. So while the pilgrims do paricuma, all around the hill Goverdhan, they actually express, give a loving embrace.
(8:09) AC: This word you use, Poly-, poly- policramba?
(8:15) Nd: We call it Pa-ri-krama.
(8:17) AC: Pa-ri-kra-ma.
(8:18) Nd: Yes.
(8:18) AC: Pa-ri-kra-ma. That's the path.
(8:21) Nd: Parikrama means walking along the path around.
(8:25) AC: Parikrama.
(8:26) Nd: Yes. P-A-R-I-K-R-A-M-A. It's a holy term, not just walking, but walking with spiritual motive. Yup. So by doing such Parikrama, people also, they receive some joy at heart, that we are doing something to relate, to relate to divine couple who are beloved to our heart, with austerity, and you have marked, when people do parikrama, they take so much austerity, and they do not mind taking so much austerity, because it's a way of loving expression, expression of loving relation to the divine couple. Therefore they joyfully take austerity in other words they are happy to take this austerity.
(9:33) AC: To the hardship of the journey by foot, that is alright, that is good.
(9:37) Nd: Right, journey by foot, also taking hot sun on head, sweating all over, and some do parikrama offering prostrated obedience.
(9:48) AC: This is we passed this person on the road, (Nd: Right), he lies down extends his full body length, (Nd: Right) then he stands back up, he puts his feet where his head had been (Nd: Exactly) and then he lies down again. (Nd: Exactly) To do this for, it would take a long time to go around the hill.
(10:06) Nd:¿Take a long¿take a long time¿(People chanting approaching, voices approaching, coming closer to mic) Without a strong and genuine spiritual belief, nobody can do it. These are genuine practices, so they generally practice what they believe. These are the wonderful nature of human beings here. (Voices pass very close to mic: Rade Rade, Shambalade, Rade Rade, Shambalade, get very loud. Sounds like children. A bird begins to caw along as they pass by.)
(11:03) FW?: ¿That was sweet.
(11:05) AC: What was that group?
(11:07) Nd: Another small group of pilgrims.
(11:10) AC: Children and the¿
(11:11) Nd: Yay their slogan was: Samilade Rade Rade. They are simply addressing to Radharani, asking her to give them Krishna.
(11:24) AC: Radha, please give us Krishna.
(11:26) Nd: Yes, oh Radha, please give us Krishna. Please help us to unite with our dear lord Krishna. And you know, we also, on the contrary, we also find some other pilgrims (someone begins to play a makeshift flute) sometimes calling Krishna, oh dear lord Krishna please take us to our dear Goddess Radherani. (Flute is being played somewhat distractingly in background.) So, here some pilgrims are devotees of Krishna and some are devotees of Radherani, but mostly, devotees of both. (12:05) Radhi Radhi (calls out).
(12:06) Group of men (replying, call out back): Radhi Radhi!
(12:07) Nd (calling out): Radhi Radhi!
(12:09) Men: Radhi Radhi.
(12:11) Nd: Vologorshe volo Rade (sp).
(12:12) Men: Radhe Radhe! Radhe Radhe! (continue to call out while passing).
(12:25) Nd: Should we continue walking or stop? Okay. (footsteps, sound of child shouting in background.)
(12:39) Nd: People here also love the majestic beauty mountain, hill, they love nature. They simply love nature in relation to the creator of nature, which is the supreme lord Krishna. So, in relation to their love for nature, they naturally love the hill. (cow bell heard off mic. Footsteps, heavy breathing from walking.) (13:32) The pilgrims often find some joyful satisfaction at heart, while they take so much austerity in doing Parikrama. See, you can see now. The hot sun, they are barefooted, because, as part of Indian culture, according to spiritual culture in this locality, or many parts of India, Parikrama must be done with barefoot. (AC: Ahhh). Not with shoes. Sometimes sand underneath foot, so hot, but still people just joyfully go on, walking on the sands, though so austere. That's one aspect of austerity. Another, they continue to be sweating all over, sometimes they are hungry. See, they are picking up stones.
(14:43) AC: So they are gathering up these stones together. We've come upon, so we've come upon some women who actually walked past us a little earlier, and they are gathering these stones and building little ah, little kind of little ordered piles of them. And here they are actually there are actually several of these already built here. Would these be alters of some kind that they are making?
(15:09) Nd: Yes, they are making alters, they are also creating, spontaneously creating some kinds temples. You know.
(15:18) AC: So this is a temple, this could be a temple.
(15:20) Nd: Yay, small, emblem, some kind of they are creating some kind of emblem of temple, representation of small temple which is made of the stones of Goverdhan hill, and also they install inside the small temple sometimes another small stone, like a representation of holy deity of Radha Krishna. So one of their beliefs is that by doing so they render some service to Hill Goverdhan, they express their loving respect to hill Goverdhan, just ah creating a temple for it, installing a stone inside that temple, and in this way, trying to keep the integrity of the Goverdhan hill because you know the stones are now being spread around so also they want to put all the stones together near by the main hill to maintain the integrity so that it is not spread out, symbolical way. With the strong belief that by doing so, Hill Goverdhan will be pleased, that actually in so many ways in some ways they are trying to relate to it, relate to the nature.
(17:03) AC: Relate to the nature?
(17:04) ND: Relate to the nature. (AC: Ahhh¿) Relating to the nature and as hill is considered to be their pride here. In other words, the local residents are proud of Goverdhan hill because of its integrity it is so much beneficial for them. And so in this way they also relate to the nature. Here, specifically Hill Goverdhan, saying to it, yes, we want to relate you, just as while we want to relate to some person, we speak, touch, softly touch on body, give hug, doing something, doing this petting, or like this, so that's their inner senses and feelings that doing something something with this stone, whether gathering together, creating some beautiful small temple, installing a stone as a deity inside that small temple, just paying pronom (sp) to it, ok, holding to heart, holding close to their body, or even taking some stone to their house, they simply relate to the hill, make them feel they have a relationship to with the hill.
(18:50) AC: And then with Krishna.
(18:51) Nd: And ultimately that is with Krishna and Rhadika. If you don't do anything, if you have nothing to do with anything, then you don't have relationship, so it's their natural way of reciprocation, and as they are doing so, subtly they are also feeling some reciprocation through this stone through their belief, you know, because they do not consider it just a simple stone, they don't just view it simply as a stone, but more than that it is holy, sacred stone, manifestation of divine couple, Radha Krishna, imbued with loving memory of their transcendental pastimes in the past. So, they, each stone of Goverdhan means to these people means a lot, like loving memory, sometimes we also collect some loving memories from, about dear ones. We preserve, we save it in our house, great care, just some loving memories of a dear one, so similarly. (20:21) (calling out to passers-by) Gorsheboloh Rade Rade (sp)!
(20:22) they reply: Rade Rade! Rade rade! (one woman cries out:) Shambeladeh! (sp)
(20:28) Nd: Shambeladeh Rade Rade!¿So, we continue to walk?
(20:36) AC: Yay, maybe we'll put aside the microphones for a moment and walk for a while.
(20:44) Nd: As you like, if you have any more specific questions¿?
(20:47) AC: Oh I have many more questions¿
(20:48) Nd: Okay in regard to the hill and the civilization around the hill, culture, you can ask and I can specifically answer (voice fades as they walk off mic)?
(20:57) Sounds of footsteps, ambi music in background, very faint. Faint sounds of perhaps writing on a piece of paper with a pencil. Car horns honk. Footsteps grow faster, (22:22) a child's voice, conversation between Nd and AC very faint off mic.(23:24) A bell chimes. Music and conversation in background. Conversation gets louder, in Hindi perhaps/ (23:57) conversation passes close to mic. A man's voice gets momentarily loud. Footsteps more pronounced. (24:08) The bell chimes again. Louder ambi of shuffling and footsteps. Movement close to mic (25:16) sweeping sounds (25:21) a small boy's voice. Sounds of life growing louder (25:50) Dogs barking off mic in distance. What sounds like the snorting of an animal, a pig. Faint conversation. Birds are chirping.
(26:39) A man calls out in Hindi, others reply. It sounds like a song or a chant. (26:45) Close to mic¿Yasiri Krishna. Men pass in front of mic, saying Yasiri Krishna. Sounds of life, movement, conversation, footsteps, music in background. Animals chirping. Sounds of crumpling paper, something, something being tossed on the ground, like small rocks, pebbles¿
(27:58) AC: Flawn and I have come over to record some of these monkeys and they have kind of gone back into the bushes, but Nandan has come over with a secret monkey potion to lure them out. Some roasted peanuts we've come and tossed on the ground. Let's see if they work¿Here comes one.
(28:18) Nd: They are supposed to slowly come, now they are testing us. They are just looking at us and thinking whether it would be safe to come forward, close to us. (A monkey squeaks loudly) Maybe if we¿Okay¿
(29:00) Monkeys/birds chirping in distance. Monkey comes close to mic. Squawks. Sounds of shuffling. Birds/monkeys squeak in distance. A fly buzzes past. Sounds of peanuts being broken, gathered by monkeys? Women talk in background, fade from mic. Very nice ambi, very peaceful. Birds chirp, almost silence with white noise.
(32:30) Dogs bark and squabble in distance. Birds join in. (33:00) Children, people talking, laughing. People, and a cow with a bell pass by mic. People are talking, laughing, walking, cowbell is ringing. (33:04) A person begins to sing, another shouts out, is not quite yelling but not quite speaking at a normal tone. Same ambi continuing. People walking, talking, faint rhythm of cowbell. (36:03) sounds of clinking pots and pans, porcelain, water being poured. People talking. (36:32) Children begin singing in background. (36:59) Sound of faucet pouring water close to mic, faucet handles being turned noisily, someone is mixing something in a metal pot, pouring. (37:34) children singing closer to mic. (37:45) Singing gets clearer and louder. (38:12) singing fading in distance, children are singing loudly but now far off mic. (38:30) Men conversing close to mic. Same ambi sounds continue. (40:00) flies buzzing. People continue to talk. Occasionally sounds like pumping water. Birds chirping. (42:00) Sound of motored vehicle in background getting closer. Ambi continues.
(43:40) Nd: All are walking barefoot¿I forgot to leave my shoes there¿
(43:45) AC: You forgot to leave your shoes?
(43:47) Nd: I should have walked barefoot¿
(43:48) CJ: So we are stopping right around the corner¿
(43:48) Nd: I should have left it in car, now, carrying by hands, in hands, no use. (43:57 AC: Laughs¿Nd: laughs too.) Something, now this and I wanted to say, in regard to Goverdhan hill. That, in past, also, local residents of Braj, we call Brajibashis (sp), used to go on the top of the hill and collect different herbal plants, for medicinal use, for medicinal purposes. This is also one of the reasons the local residents are so grateful to the hill. The hill provides in so many ways in their life. Ah, medicines, some nice fruit trees, and also pastoring area, for housel animals, and moreover, also, that it increased the beauty of the whole land with its majestic beauty. When a land contains hill, river, lots of green birds, that it enrich the beauty of land. So in many ways, and another point I wanted to mention, that while you saw the pilgrims that are just gathering stones together (AC: Yes) And making a pile, was also due to the sportive nature. In other words, they were just doing it also as part of a sporting joy¿
(45:55) AC: Because it is playful and they like to do it, for pleasure,
(45:58) Nd: Yay, for pleasure, just as when you got to seashore. You take out some sand and other things that you like, just as pleasure, and also you feel some sort of relationship with seashore by doing so. Similarly, here people also gather stones, and collect it together (cow moos loudly in background). And just have some innocent joy, feelings of relationship with all those stones because sport is a part of our life, the joy we derive from sport, sporting activity, is a part of our life, so they also want to feel that relation with the hill. Okay. (Begin to walk, footsteps in gravel heard). Also, I didn't speak anything, anything much about that kushumsharuva (sp).
(47:11) AC: The lake.
(47:13) Nd: Yay, that lake. Kushumsharuva, we just previously visited on the way to come her. Kushumsharuva means, flower lake, in other words, a lake which was surrounded by beautiful flower groves at the time of Krishna is called Kushumsharuva. Or, a lake situated in the midst of beautiful flower groves. So, Radha Krishna used to go there and have their playful pastimes, as there were many beautiful and fragrant flowers, so Lord Krishna would sometimes pick up the flowers and put them on the hair of Simothe Radhika (sp) just to please her, and thereby having some sportive joy.
FW interrupts to ask Alex to put aside something that is ¿jangling like a bell.¿ Some kind of hitting, game in background, talking,
(49:24) Nd (continues): So, so beautiful Lord Krishna used to pick flowers from the flower grove, and would put in the hair of Radherrani, Goddess Radha thus decorating her in a beautiful way, and enjoying her beauty, because decorated with different colorful flowers, fragrant flowers, (Dog begins to bark very loudly, Nd talks over dogs barking, squabbling under Nd's speech) Radha used to look more beautiful. Also, in return, sometimes Radherrani would collect some flowers and decorate Krishna with the same flowers, flower garland and all. So they would have lots of flower pastimes, sports to do with the flowers, decoration to do with the flowers. That is why that lake is named after fragrant flower, Kushumsharuva.
(50:36) AC: Is this a sacred lake here?
(50:40) Nd: Yay, it is also one of the sacred lakes.
(50:44) AC: And those women are washing clothes, and those women are washing clothes across the way here? Is it alright to wash clothes in a sacred lake?
(50:55) Nd: Well, it is not really alright, but some of the local residents do it out of necessity, because somehow they have to go on with their life, and somehow they have to wash clothes (sneezes). So even though they wash clothes, afterwards they pay obescience, respect, like kind of, begging forgiveness, and go. But, as they need some place to wash their clothes and all, they sometimes use. It's mixed feelings, you know? Which is often practically found in life. (AC: Yes!) Yup. But such incidence do not take place, does not take place with every lake, because there are some main holy lakes. I repeat, there are some principal holy lakes, they're preserved, in other words reserved, only for like, ah bathing, and ah, taking the water on head, paying respect, or sometimes, taking out the temple deities, and put them, putting them in a boat, and having them boat ride. Ok? So the special lakes are not contaminated by clothe washing and all, but some of the, this is also one of the holy lakes, but some of the commonly holy lakes are well used by the people, just to be practical in their life, but like I mentioned afterwards they offer respect. In the beginning offer respect, and afterwards also, offering respect.
(53:03) AC: Ok, I think we have come here. (Ambience of cowbell) I think we will just pause for a little while. (Sound of cow herding? A man shouts out, sound of animal trotting past, cow bells?¿)
(53:58) Nd: He was not happy that we stood in the middle of the road, not letting the animals go, so¿ Krishna¿
(54:10) Sound of cowbells, get louder as animals shuffle and trot past closer to mic. Man calls out, shouts, Birds squawk, people in distance talk. Footsteps. Sound of hitting, hammering, batting something against something
(55:35) Sound gets louder. Sound of children, people talking and laughing close to mic, splashing in water, they are swimming, playing bathing.
(56:20) Loud water sounds, splashing, swishing of water. People (young) are talking to each other, over each other, over the sounds of the water and over the sound of some kind of percussion, someone hitting something against something else, a thud, wet sound, like a hand hitting the hide of s drum in the water. Washing clothes? People talking and splashing continues.
(58:25) Drum sound stops, splashing and talking continues.
(58:54) Drum sound picks up again. (59:40) Drum sound loud close to mic¿must be washing something, sound of metal? Bowl, object scraping against ground. Drumming, washing, talking sounds continue.
(1:03:00) Washing, talking sounds continuing, sounds of scrubbing.
(1:04:45) Children talking loudly to each other, laughter, scrubbing and washing sounds.
(1:08:45) Continuing: Women, Children talking loudly to each other, laughter, scrubbing and washing sounds.
(1:10:00) Continuing: Women, Children talking loudly to each other, laughter, scrubbing and washing sounds. Nd's voice heard faintly off mic.
(1:12:00) Moving away from sounds of water. Can hear music faintly in background, AC talking off mic. Honking or horns in background, must be near thoroughfare. Honking, music continues, footsteps.
(1:12:55) AC: So there is someone we want to see in this temple and this man is going to be an interpreter for us.
FW asks AC to handle mic situation. ¿Shed our shoes¿¿ (1:13:30) Now inside, people talking inside.
(1:14:07) Translator [T]: So he will tell you the story if Nawelkunt (sp).
Nd: He will explain, he will translate in English¿(AC: Okay¿)
(1:14:17) Unknown Storytelling Man in Temple [USMT]: (Begins)...
(1:14:53) T: So this place is known as Nawelkunt. When Krishna stolen the clothes of gopees, so he tell them, so, on the day of Raspurnima (sp), or Shadeypurnima (sp), I will play Ras (sp) with you. (Nd (being spoken over): the Ras Dance, right¿)
(1:15:17) USMT: Continues¿
(1:15:30) T: When the Ras Dance was going on then Krishna disappeared from Ras because Gopees was thinking started thinking that we are the most dearest to Krishna, thus Krishna disappeared from Ras dance.
(1:15:45) USMT: Continues¿
(1:15:58) T: That time there was no temple (?), everywhere there was forest.
(1:16:03) USMT: Continues¿
(1:16:12) T: Now Krishna disappeared from Ras Dance and start playing here in Nawelkunt in the form of a small boy¿
(1:16:20) USMT: Continues¿
(1:16:32) T: And when gopees came here in search of Krishna and he asked that small boy¿ you have son Krishna anywhere?
(1:16:44) USMT: Continues¿
(1:16:55) T: But that small boy who was originally Krishna says, I have not seen Krishna anywhere, maybe he will be elsewhere or near Shamsha (?)¿
(1:17:05) USMT: Continues¿ (Nd: says something to USMT)
(1:17:20) T: Then Gopees realized that this small boy is no other one, he is Krishna,
(1:17:26) USMT: Continues¿ (Nd: says something to USMT)
(1:17:44) T: The gopees start asking Krishna (USMT: Continues¿) And Now Krishna appears in front of Gopees¿
(USMT: Continues¿Nd: interjects: jovinal form¿)
(1:18:04) ¿In his jovinal form. First he was in form of small boy, but now Krishna appear in jovinal form.
(1:18:09) USMT: Continues¿
(1:18:13) Nd: Radhi Radhi Radhi Radhi
(1:18:13) T: So this is the story of this Nawelkunt. Nawel means small. Anything which is new, this is known as Nawel, so Krishna appear here in the form of a small boy, thus this place is known as Nawel. (USMT, Nd talk¿)
(1:18:36) AC: Thank you, thank you for telling us your story. (to translator) Would you say thank you for¿I don't think so¿(FW: Can we get his name?) AC: But your name, yes, please.
(1:18:57) USMT: Says something
(1:19:00) T: His name is Bal Krishna Sharma¿B-A-L K-R-I-S-H-N-A S-H-A-R-M-A
(1:19:16) AC: And what is the name of the temple?
(1:19:19) T: Navellebihari (sp) Temple¿
(1:19:29) Nd man and translator talk
(1:20:28) T: We are asking temple to him, when was this temple established?
(1:20:32) AC: And what does he say?
(1:20:35) T: He is not giving answer properly.
(1:20:37) Nd: asks questions again, so does translator¿
(1:20:49) T: It's about 300 years old.
(1:20:57) Nd: You know the beautiful architectures that we are seeing here.
(1:20:59) T: I am asking him that¿
(1:21:07) Nd: So how long ago that was built.
(1:20:11) T: He is telling it about 300 years old
(1:21:17) Nd: Radhi Radhi Radhi Radhi¿
(1:21:30) Ambient sound, bell tolling in background, sound of life, people talking in background.
(1:22:46) A cow moos, is mooing. Some kind of construction sound
(1:23:40) Cow bells, construction, sounds getting closer to mic. Sounds of life getting closer to mic.
(1:24:45) FW: Carolyn I was getting the sound of you getting in the car¿(1:24:56) Car doors slamming¿
(1:25:37) Car starts up, revving, idling¿driving away, screeching to a stop, starting up again¿
(1:26:42) FW: So let's join them¿
(1:27:45)Man off mic: I want to tell you one more thing about that building they were building, that temple. So actually they built house, the local people of Vrindavan and India believe that they will build house near Goverdhan¿then they will get nice house for accommodation (AC: ¿for themselves to live in¿)
(1:28:20) FW: You say they are making that small house out of stone there, and that will be a good auspice for them to have a big house for themselves later¿It looks like we are having a monkey photo opportunity¿
(1:28:38) Get out of car, ambient city sound, beeping, honking, children talking and laughing, adults talking, shuffling sounds of life, movement (1:30:30) A cow moos in background, car doors slam shut¿(1:31:20) Shuffling sounds¿get back into car, car pulls off, begins to drive away¿idling of car, driving, honking¿driving, gear shifting, engine picking up¿honking¿car stops, idles, begins again¿
(1:34:45) car stops for a second, engine idling, loudspeaker with voice singing, car drives on, sound of engine, AC and Nd talking off mic, cannot understand what they are saying, only a word here and there¿driving, honking¿
(1:39:20) Driving speeds up¿sounds of engine, rattling of the car, sputtering of engines, screeching of brakes. Constant honking.
(1:41:18) Car drives past close to mic, honks loudly.
FW: This is ending tape 11¿
(1:44:32) RECORDING ON TAPE ENDS