NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
28 Jul 2000
Madre de Dios
- Puerto Maldonado
- -12.6 -69.18333
- SONY TCD-D7
Stereo=1; Decoded MS stereo
NPR/NGS RADIO EXPEDITIONS
Log of DAT #: 7
Engineer: Leo del Aguila
Date: July 2000
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JN: JOHN NIELSEN
LD: LEO DEL AGUILA
SK: SANTOS KAWAY KOMOR
0:29 LD: it's tape number 7, I'm in the plaza at Puerto Maldonado (PM), it's independence day, we are recording. Here I'm gonna climb a ladder.
0:48-5:29 AMB: MARCHING BAND W/ANNOUNCER IN BKGRND
6:11-10:57 AMB: SAME THING DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE
11:20 LD: ok here I am in front of a small pile of fire. Lets see if we can somehow get the sound of the fire burning.
11 :28 AMB: SMOLDERING FIRE
11:49 LD: I am adjusting levels so bear with me
11:52-12:36 AMB: SMOLDERING FIRE
12:22-12:33 FX: MOTORCYCLE PASSES
12:41-13:07 FX: FOOTSTEPS
12:59-13:07 FX: MOTORCYCLE
13:25 LD: I'm moving about, it's pretty loud but let's see
13:32-14:53 AMB: CRACKLING FIRE, MOTORCYCLES IN BKGRND
14:29 FX: BIRDS CHIRPING
15 :04 LD: more fire
15:05-15:42 AMB: SMOLDERING FIRE, MOTORCYCLES
15:29 FX: BIRDS CHIRPING LOUDLY
15:41 FX: FOOTSTEPS
15:50-20:11 AMB: FIRE SNAPPING AND POPPING, MOTORCYCLES
17:02-17:19 FX: MOTORCYCLES PASSES CLOSE BY
20:25 LD: john is a reporter, etc, this is where we want to be
20:42 SK: Santos Kaway Komor I'm the mayor of PM.
JN: and I'm John Nielsen, National Public Radio. My spanish is bad.
LD: ok I'll translate. Do you speak english?
JN: ok. Quick questions on the theme of roads. How important is a road like the TOH to the future of PM?
LD: (TRANSLATES QUESTION) SK: (ANSWERS IN SPANISH)
21:56 LD: the road has major benefits for us. We have been isolated because the only road we've had in the past was the one from Cuzco (which is possibly the one we traveled on) and that is always heavy maintenance and it was difficult for us to attain the development we could have if it was a reliable means of transportation. It obviously has a lot of benefits in regard to how we're gonna develop as a province and as a city.
JN: there are many people in the US who act as if they have a divine right to a good road. Or at least a right. Is that the same here or should that be the same here? "
23 :45 LD: even though there is good consciousness in regards to the ecology and that we are focusing on ecotourism, the obvious benefits of having a road and yes by the way we do feel that its something that we should have the same point of view in regards to it is a right for us to, because it will allow us to have economic development and no longer be isolated from the rest of the country.
JN: I only have two more questions. Do you fear that when the roads are good that it will bring the problems of the world to you: more crime, more ecological destruction, how do you prevent that?
25:27 LD: recently there have been laws that have been passed to actually limit timber. They knock down those trees in the forest. as well as ecological preservation. I think that these, the impact they will have is that they will slow down any kind of uncontrollable development.
JN: ok and the last question is just flown out of my head. There are people in the
US who say-you know environmentalists say don't build roads-but there are people
who say the most important thing that a politician, a mayor, has to do is improve the lives of the people who elected him. And in fact the only way to protect the environment is to improve the lives of the people who live in that environment and then they will protect it. Does he believe that?
27:40 LD: yeah I believe that what we can do is find a happy medium in which we can actually have work that is related, is dependent of this road. However it will allow us to create jobs which can also be balanced, in which citizens can make a living, but we will not necessarily mess around with the ecology. Also do it in such a way that we can maintain law and order and minimize perhaps the trafficking of drugs, things like that. And we gotta go because this gentleman has something to do.
JN: GOODBYES ETC, GIVES LEO THE SAKE, ETC
30:20 LD: ok I'm at the mayor's office I'm gonna record a minute of this.
30:22-31 :08 AMBI OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, GUY TALKING ON THE PHONE IN BCKGRND FOR MOST OF IT
31: 15 LD: I'm at the lobby of the hotel, (SPANISH), cicadas, and here we go .
31¿38 33-47 AMBI: HOTEL LOBBY WITH CICADAS
33:00-33:15 FX: PHONE RINGS
33:47 LD: I'm gonna change perspective and move this way. I'm facing the courtyard and here we go.
33:58--AMBI: DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, HOTEL LOBBY W/CICADAS
34: 13 LD: by the way I just raised the level so lets start again.
34:14-35:30 AMBI: SAME AS ABOVE
35:30 END OF DAT