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NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
17 Oct 2000

    Geography
  • China
    Yunnan
    Latitude/Longitude
  • 28.4025   98.8111111
    Recording TimeCode
  • 46:51 - 49:00
    Channels
  • Stereo
    Sampling Rate
  • 48kHz
    Bit Depth
  • 16-bit
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    Equipment Note

Show: YGRP
Log of DAT #: 10
Engineer: Bill McQuay
Date: 10-18-00

ng = not good
ok = okay
g = good
vg = very good

0:00:04 Loud talking in Tibetan¿eating sounds¿What is this fruit called? ¿Kamba¿like a peach¿yeah, is a peach. Peach¿Sweet¿

0:02:04 this ??? named Shialabunga and this place is every come to there peoples. If there go to the waterfall or another holy place, if they don't come to there, there is, the travel is not success¿T¿so the peoples come to there, they will get the keys at there, at there. So the people some there must¿Come here first? Yeah, get the key¿Key? Get the key, when they get the key, the holy mountain's door just open¿T¿this temple's named song-ji-sibamiu¿T¿because this temple's, there are¿God is¿C: Sibamiu is the Buddha of long life¿ So some people, he's like this very¿Some can not live for long life, can come here and pray and have a much longer life¿(distort)¿

4:50 SFX gate opening and closing

5:15 (ok - she's soft) this god is Sibamiu, inside¿the god of long life?¿Yeah, long life. In the scriptures, the Tibetan books. Is there a village monk here?¿translation¿this is the outside village and also lower side of the village's temple. So this time, no monk. Just ?? women¿ nuns¿nuns look after there¿T¿and there, the woman, when he look after the temple, no anything, no money, just look after¿for free¿yeah¿the monks and the nuns?¿no, his mother¿his mother, I see¿the villagers ask her to look after this¿T¿ before Cultural Revolution have many¿consultation in T¿ many statues?¿yeah. They are also about the Kawagebo and Mitsumi. So in the Cultural Revolution, they were destroyed, and at this time do not have enough money to re¿Replace them? Replace them¿ T¿if you want to prayer her, you must think not yourself, but all the world¿All the living things¿the living things, living good, that don't have the sick or any difficult. You can't think yourself. And also you round the core, how you say? Prayer wheel Prayer wheel, yeah.

10:15 This one Padama-sama. This one also¿Padama-sama¿just like a king. In India, he used to be prince.

10:35 bells, long reverberations¿footsteps on wood floor¿14:10 segues into cowbells outside room

19:42 some walking by group, Tibetan talk¿

20:30 walking with dog growling and barking and more walking¿

23:28 SFX goat bleat NICE

24:25 sound of water - stream in front of lower Yubong lodge

25:55 Prayer wheel: dried skin cover by cloth, powered by stream¿steam sound, bells, yak, and cow bells

Interview with Bob Moseley (0:29:53 - 0:43:20)

0:30:50 The idea of Shangri-La being used to sell this place. Is that a good thing or could it backfire? That's definitely a marketing tool by the tourist agencies. And it's actually amusing that parts of this area are actually fighting over which is the real Shangri-La, whether it's Li-ju, or Jongmien, or Duqin. But¿ I don't know if it's going to attract more than other places that call themselves Shangri-La. Certainly there are places in Nepal that call themselves Shangri-La. Personally, it comes pretty bloody close.

0:31:50 Certainly sounded like the very eastern part, down into here. When I read it, I read it after I'd visited here and worked up here a couple of months. And when you stand up near the temple of Thaylisu and look into the Mekong river, that could have easily been Hilton's Blue Moon valley. And you look across and you see the pyramidal Kawagebo peak, which could have easily been the karakul of Lost Horizon. I sort of imagine, personally, that the Shangri-La monastery could have been at Thaylisu. But everybody probably has their own impressions. But I'm kind of partial to this area at the moment.

0:32:49 Let's talk about vegetation. One of the thing you've, obviously the Chinese have done a lot of work over the centuries. But what do we know about the character of the flora here and how unique it is? The plants are pretty well known from this part of the world, from Yunnan and Myanmar and Tibet and Szechwan. French and English botanists were here very early on. It was identified as a place very rich in plants that could potentially be used in horticulture. In fact, many of the rhododendron and azaleas that are in common use around the world were taken out as plant material, seeds and roots, were taken back to Britain and cultivated and entered the horticultural trade. There were some pretty famous folks who were cruising around here at the turn of the century and before. Some of the great plant explores visited this area. So that was sort of the beginning of the taxonomic cataloguing. There's been a strong institute in Kumming for many years that has also concentrated a lot of energy on cataloging the flora. It's incredibly rich, they are still finding new species, and there are a lot of undescribed species that people are still waiting to publish when they find time.

0:34:43 Any particular families that are particularly represented in these new species? The rhododendron-blueberry family is particularly rich here, especially the rhododendron and azaleas and related species. Our project area in NW Yunnan is predicted to have 160 species of rhod.s, that's phenomenal. Many of them are endemic, they occur nowhere else but this part of the Eastern end of the Himalayas and some are even more localized to specific mountain ranges. Another rich family here is the primrose family, and especially primulla, the primroses. There's over 120 species here in our project area in NW Y. phenomenal variety when you travel around here in the spring. The numbers of species of primrose you see blooming.

0:35:52 So what you are doing here everyday just about is going out and doing something called "vegetation mapping." What is that? What we¿we have done a vegetation map for a large area, the 15-county area in NW Y at a certain resolution, that's scale, that's pretty broad. But it gave a good idea of the overall patterns of ecosystem diversity in NW Y. As we move to working on important sites, "action sites" as we call them, such as the Kawagebo Meili snowrange, we're going to step that down and get more precise, using the latest in vegetation mapping technology and of course with a lot of field work, going out to ground truth, to characterize vegetation we see on the gound, and then link it to patterns seen by satellites.

0:36:54 So, in simple terms, you walk around with a local villager and stop at various points and make a list of the species you see and take reading on the GPS? Yeah, we, to get around the mountains, it's easiest to hire a guide. So we usually work with some locals out of these villages. Mostly the vegetation mapping has been done by our Chinese partners. We're sort of proving the overall assistance with some new technology and also some money to acquire the imagery, those sorts of things, some work-grants. But most of the actual mapping is going to be done by our partners, they actually know the flora the best.

0:37:49 But when you say you provided new technology¿GIS Yes, both technology and techniques, because they're not always the same. Yes, the GIS mapping and using biological and cultural mapping in databases and in computerized mapping situations is pretty new to China in general and in Yunnan is done at the provincial level. And what we hope to do is actually now start working with county-level resource managers and cultural managers to bring that technology down to actual land management, to on-the- ground kinds of work.

0:38:48 Are you having a good time doing this? Excellent time. I mean, I work with great people. Would you rather be doing something else? Not at the moment. What really attracts you to this? Actually, when I was first ask to come over here on a short detail in January to run a work shop, I sort of jumped at the chance. I had learned about this place 25 years ago when I was in my intro biology and botany classes, how important the plant life was here. and I've worked in mountains all my career, 25 years, mountain ecology and conservation. So to be¿I'm also a mountaineer and climber and generally love mountains¿

0:39:40 Interrupted by passing herders¿

0:40:10 You are a mountaineer. Worked in the mountains all career. Also played in the mountains all my career as an avocation as well as a vocation. To be able to work in the greatest mountain range on earth is really exciting. But when I got here, this third element that really entered my decision to stay and work here were the people we're working with. We work with really great Chinese scientists, some really sincere officials. The opportunities to do conservation here seem very real and do-able. It wasn't just an exercise by a foreign conservation group, it seemed pretty real. And as I got out working with officials at a county level at lower levels, and also the villages, it became clear there were some really sincere conservationists here. And that's the other element that attracted and kept me here and makes it so exciting.

0:41:22 What's the hardest part? Communication, definitely. My Chinese is very rudimentary. And you come into a village like this, and Chinese doesn't even work. You have to have a Tibetan speaker and so, that makes it quite difficult. There's also different cultural histories, both in the scientific institutions and the way people do conservation here, that we have to work somewhat within, even though we were invited here to introduce new techniques on conservation planning and doing conservation and that's why we were invited here. It's still a challenge to work in a very different political environment, a very different cultural environment.

0:42:16 But you are¿how long are you in this for¿you're in a really remote place¿are there times when you feel isolated and homesick? Not really. When I'm in the city, in Kumming, I actually feel the most isolated and homesick. But when I get up in the mountains and start working, it's exciting, I'm learning new things, it's a lot like where I've lived for a long time, so I feel a little more at home. I actually feel less home sick here than I do in Kumming where there's 3 million people. Typical field biologist

0:43:40 ambi - cattle bells and water

0:45:00 SFX door closing and opening

0:45:34 SFX Good dor squeal

0:45:50 dinner sounds¿fire¿frying¿Tibetan¿

0:49:26 Nice SFX sizzle, cooking singing to himself

0:51:33 Guo Jing: There is a Chinese word, because the Chinese communists send many, many students and ??? to Tibet to help Tibet for development, but¿when you go to Tibet, you want to change Tibet. But when you live Tibet, you've been changed by Tibet¿This year, Yunnan publishing house, just publish series of book called, "Listening Tibet," about different people who had experience in Tibet, writing about their experience. And also many pictures.

0:53:00 If you heard a Tibetan sond without any words, could you tell is was Tibetan and not Chinese? Yes, for most of them, I think¿difficult to say, Today, many Tibetan pop songs are in Chinese. Some are in Tibetan, but most are in Chinese¿Publishing companies find most listeners are Han Chinese¿But, it's easy to distinguish¿

0:54:00 Tape repeats (dubbing error?)

0:54:17 Also, the generally in Tibetan pop song, is about looking for something. For ??? Or songs on the way¿Travelling songs¿Travelling songs. Many songs have this¿folk song¿Do they sing religious songs, about Buddhist¿Most of the songs have a spiritual¿one of the famous songs is¿hums¿the words just like this: "you're coming to me, with a real heart"¿the name of this is pilgrimage¿the title is pilgrimage, this is most popular song.

0:55:44 Because for most Han Chinese, have no certain belief in one religion, but after Cultural Revolution, they lost their belief. Many years, they had believed communist, communism, socialism, or Mao Zedong's ideas or something. But after that, society's changed so much, there are people who want to look for something for themselves. So Tibet symbolize, a symbol by which you can look for something. Towards you heart¿Spiritual¿yeah, spiritual.

0:57:27 Just the song I mention, Pilgrim, is in Tibetan and Chinese...If you have time to go to the bookstores in Kumming¿you find many books about Tibet¿

0:58:10 I think maybe for the world, Tibetan people are another kind of an example which is quite different from most people¿how do you say, globalization, but Tibet give another example. It means we have a simple life, but a life related to the heart¿A very strong sense of place and not so interested in globalization¿In Tibetan temples, we have masked dances. Many foreigners came to watch us dance, so many.

1:01:31 In Shudan, young people in the village gather in the office room. They just bought a new TV. The dance is disco., but the music is Tibetan¿I was in a disco in Daqin the other day and there was a Tibetan song playing. Mostly they were Amercan, rap and rock¿Some of the Tibetan songs written by Han Chinese. One off the women, very famous who sing a song called "Chinghai in Tibet Plateau." Very famous song, but the singer is Chinese. After the song became popular, she became a Buddhist¿another example¿they change and use traditional Tibetan music to make into modern version.

1:04:30 The music last night, what were they singing? There song, there name is Jong-ja. Whenever a guess come to the village, they must welcome them, so they sing this song¿(door creak)¿young boys sing this song¿wine¿GJ: The first song is very, very long, the others very short. We came here a month ago, and the song last over an hour...the first song¿

1:05:48 His hometown is near the Snow mountain and the¿ ¿through the mountains and through the rivers come to their hometown, so they're very glad. And they welcome them, just a bit. But the his ??? different¿so there's a song from Yubong¿Other places have, have tradition. (Loud Tibetan talking in foreground) Sing their song so their guests will give some money for taking them to the young boys so they can eat or drink¿After this they are dancing and singing, called Yi-chung, very active, Tibetan activity. In this area, it's a popular dancing, Yi-chung. Dancing¿also play their instrument. (tone..) In this village, have another dancing called Jo¿Dancing is maybe more gentle¿this dancing is more gentle, so the youngers don't like the gentle¿more formal¿yeah, but for the old people, they like the dancing the Jo¿the Chinese name is Guo-jong¿when they are dancing the Jo, two side persons, one side is the woman, the other is the men. So one side, they sing song and dance, the other side wait. When they over, the other side once again¿They're in lines right?¿In a circle, in a circle but¿they have two lines, like this¿Like an oval¿

1:09:40 This village also have a song, it is a long song, just for the young people, when they are outside in the mountains. When one sing the young, the younger brother come¿so this song is named "Young."

1:10:30 (ng) So they were singing back and forth last night. Was that Jo? T...it is yung...sing yung, is just like that, one person...usually the song is sung outside...When dance the Lupi, they would meet the...cymbals. the dances also a lot of activity...when the villages dance the Rupa, the women do the...drum, and the men so the...cymbals. So when the women dance, the men will run...GJ it is skillful, this dance. It's not for everyone. It's difficult to learn...and also have some religious meaning...

1:16:00 New section, cowbells and herders.

1:17:53 Tibetan voices...

1:21:00 Loading the yak. Sounds like horseback riding. This is the trek up from lower Yubong to upper Yubong.

1:28:35 Some whistling w/ yak walking.

1:29:50 Yak/horse better here.
1:30:10 approx. Some shouting, dog barks - active

1:33:00 Water flowing.

1:38:20 final trip to upper Yubong.
1:38:21 Arrival in upper Yubong: dog barking, pigs, goats

1:40:23 In the kitchen in upper Yubong. Old lady preparing food. Fire, child, cooking...

1:50:20*************Not Cloned Past This Point - Only on Master****************

1:50:20 Kitchen sounds - loud fire, crackling¿child¿Roasting barley in the village in Upper Yubong.

1:51:00 Running water¿talking¿distant dog

1:53:44 Failed close up¿

1:54:12 (ok) ambi: chickens growling and clucking, soft¿

1:56:00 Speaking Tibetan, household noises¿Cedar chip, he put in there for us¿15 degree temperature difference between sunlight and shadow outside¿Pouring water¿

1:58:00 Men speaking Tibetan¿eating sounds¿

1:59:54 short ambi: footsteps on wood floor

2:00:00 Coffee

2:01:30 Discussing food (in English)¿

2:03:20 Learning Tibetan words for "cheese", "tea"

2:06:20 Noticing that men cook as much as women, unusual¿

2:07:39 TAPE ENDS

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