Discusses a holy site.
Discusses local flora.
NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
16 Oct 2000
- 28.4025 98.8111111
- 46:51 - 49:00
Log of DAT #: 8
Engineer: Bill McQuay
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0:11:57 So this, they come here and worship at this holy place¿yeah¿which is that rock face across the river¿yeah¿and they build small stone houses¿If they're dead, they like to stay at that house¿when they're dead¿soft English¿for the next life, they will come visit here in the small houses built for the pilgrims and the village people¿and ¿pilgrims¿so this is a very holy place. And what does the rock face represent?¿there? ..there¿when people are going they have, maybe have a hole¿I see, there's a holy person there, practicing Buddhism in that place.
0:13:48 Could he name this place again? ¿consultation in T¿do you want to go to the falls?¿I don't know what we're going to do¿take two hours, a little difficult¿T¿
Interview With Bob Moseley (0:20:47 - 0:24:13)
0:20:47 (ok) -Seems as we get closer to the mountain, it looks more and more like a rain forest.
-But no ferns, I haven't seen ferns except for that last half km down to the village. So what's the story, too cold a winter?
-Well, it's still a temperate climate¿
-But you get ferns in..
-This here's a fern.
-Wouldn't recognize them as ferns
-Yeah, the ones with the whole leaves¿these are like a tropical cloud forest. They're more like the rain forests of the Pacific coast¿in North America¿(on mic) (g) Most of the epiflytes, the plants that grow on other plants, in this case trees are mostly mosses, really thick mosses on tree bark, especially certain species of trees. If you walked into this forest off the trail, you'd find it's very¿cushy¿
-Soft, yeah, you'd sink in. it's very soft walking because all of the moss and the leaves build up. And it's a high enough elevation, we're up here at 10,300 feet, so things don't decompose very fast, so you have this really soft...
-Yeah, duff, but some of it's living like these moss layers. You might have noticed yesterday, as we get closer in to the mountains, the clouds are, there's much more cloud cover over the high peaks. So this is a much wetter place.
-And the trees are bigger.
-The trees are gigantic, including these fir. Most of these are fir, but there's also hemlock, this one is a really big maple tree¿other species, but mostly fir and hemlock and maple.
0:24:13 Ambi from interview site, really short
0:26:50 -So what is this site?
-The water comes from the mountain, it's a spring. And the water is medicinal, so if somebody is ill, they can drink some and get well
-There's also a place to pray, a very special and ritualized place to recite sutras
-T & Chinese
-So the water is actually coming from a lotus flower, which means it's a honey liquor that's coming out of the mountain. It appears as water, but it's actually honey liquor from the heart of a lotus.
-The name of this?
-T & C
-So not only does this cure illness, but it also gives you courage and it also helps you to be good to other people.
-But does it have a name?
-Secular word, pamasadmu¿
-The name is Menzaguroh-chu
-Is there a translation?
-¿It can't translate into English because it's a sacred word. It's a form of Sanskrit, it is not Tibetan¿
-¿Pamasadmu was who again?
-First a teacher, Buddhism teacher who spread Buddhism into Tibet.
-¿All these words!¿
-You'll have a lot to tell your teacher.
-He'll say, did you watch it coming and going¿did you see it rise and fall? Did you see the impermanence of it? That's what's important: did you see the impermanence of it?
0:35:15 -This is two lotus buds. There's a¿
-Two small roads and this is in essence a direction sign
-Here you have the choice between two sides. This side is towards the waterfall. The other is to other ?? sites.
-Two sides¿it's more difficult to take this way¿
-Yeah, maybe some other time. I would like to go there.
-Would it be possible to do both? (no) Or part of us do both, waterfall and dam.
-No, we should probably go this way¿I have a feeling this goes straight up¿
0:39:30 So Jiang, I asked her about these piles of sticks that we see all along the way up here. (Man speaking in the background in T. Quick tape static here) They were essentially guideposts to indicate where your friends on fellow pilgrims should go. So if you go by on a pilgrimage, you would put a stick there and the others who would follow you knew you'd been this way. When I was here in the spring, these piles, I didn't even remember seeing these piles, but now they're very prominent all along the trail since we left the Yubong village. I think you'll also see piles of stone similarly. These small piles of stone along the way which must indicate the same thing¿Shall we continue?
0:46:41 Creaking pack ambi
0:47:27 Stream ambi w/ cowbells
1:08:25 Bob Moseley: You can see the avalanche effects¿really come roaring off the this face for 7 or 8 thousand feet into this meadow. Some of this birch and mountain maples, I mean mountain ash and maples are really able to withstand it. But most of this whole basin was under snow when I was here in early May¿completely filled in from avalanche debris.
1:09:30 Well, we're about 11000, 11500 feet on the way to the sacred waterfall, through a dense forest of oak and larch and a lot of rhododendron but not a lot of air. Hopefully we'll get to the sacred waterfall, this is the spot where many pilgrims come, Buddhist pilgrims, so if they can do it, we can do it. (water ambi immediately).
1:11:02 There was actually a person, a person named¿who was born from the lotus flower, is Padnai, this is where he rested and these are the stone sticks that he had (clapping), the two black ones¿
1:11:47 Conversation in Tibetan about "stone sticks"
1:12:08 This is also a sacred place before you which¿along here, you must go to the hell and go to the heaven, and then you can go to the worldpool¿
1:12:40 Chow Zhong: This place is very old, the person's name is B--- or U--- when he come to here, this place. This place is his¿practice¿resting place, so he can run this three times, here. Just for prayer.
1:14:41 If you want to go into here, it's okay¿sounds of entering a small space¿
1:15:58 this is a small house made of brick and timber. It's a place of worship for pilgrims, a shrine to the Golden Buddha, we think. Lit with candles, and somethingthat smells like a bit of incense. Pictures of Buddhist Gods, I expect, in frames. (background noises) It has a feeling of age, of having been here a long time.
16:50 CZ -- It had the Golden Buddha statue in it, many years ago. So there are, there are coming to their peoples that are prayer here¿What are these things?¿ These things are the light, the light. The light in Tibetan Buddhism, light is a very beautiful thing. If I have something I want to let heaven know, so I can lit a light at there and sometimes they can lit a light for the dead person, sometimes for live person, the light¿Explain what the light is for again¿For the peoples. I have something want to make, so I can lit light. Maybe it can point me how to do it.
1:18:12 Interior thunks (like those under previous speeches)
1:19:14 CZ -- If someone dead, he came throw it¿If he didn't offer when he dead, then they can offer it¿this cave is hell¿Chinese¿and this cave is heaven, when the people's through this cave, if they can, this cave is heaven, and go outside, they can build a small house. So if you dies, you can go to heaven. The house is heaven's house.
1:20:13 You walk up here and come back through? No¿this cave's name is Baduchalong¿ Okay, so now I have to go to heaven?¿Tibetan explanation¿this is a¿I said hell to you¿so I should go here what hell sounds like¿Have to take bag off¿
1:23:33 So, we're going into hell¿
1:24:23 There's a big dark room in the back, where three or four people can sit down. I could kind of feel it.
1:25:12 Rolling, spaced omnis¿So can he describe this place, name and significance? Tibetan¿the name is Nabeshay¿T¿this place, the holy mountain Kagebo and Mansabu have maybe 20 millions Buddhists with there, to prayer and read their Buddhist books, so they're very holy this place. I've noticed people come and they bathe, they walk through the waterfall, what is this? T¿
1:27:09 The peoples come to here, some is healthy not very good¿Can you say that again? Their health not very good. Some that their eyes don't see things, some, their ears don't listen, too¿some is their leg, is not very good. Like this, the persons come to there to let the water wash them because that will help because in this place, many llama have read their Buddhist books. I noticed he himself walked through the water, the water is coming straight down 300 feet from a glacier. I imagine it's rather cold. Right. What does he think? T¿When, he think, everyone come here. If he were dead, if he come to here, the water wash him he can't dead. If he dead last year, he came here wash him, he can't dead. He can't be dead? Yeah.
1:30:18 waterfall ambi¿
1:32:12 Waterfall ambi, 2nd location
1:34:13 (vg) Achimbuh - plays two songs on native violin - in Tibetan "Iy", Chinese "Shien-tsu"¿passed down from parents, don't know meaning of song¿when there sing the song, all dancing, like there all, his family, the sister, brother, all together, dancing, and the song