NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
22 Mar 2000
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NPR/NGS RADIO EXPEDITIONS
Log of DAT #: M-l
Date: March 22, 2000
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0:04-Alex giving the time and date of location. Say name.
00:18-My name is Frank (really hard last name) and I'm a broadcaster as well as a musician. I'm also a key person in the community, one of the key persons, or people in the community. So, I have some sort of a ... position in the community so that I can talk to people with some sort of authority. As well as they know me from my different work that I've done through music and through other things and other council activities. What goes on back at home
1: 10-Ac-And which community are you from?
1: 12-F: I'm from and is about 500 km from northeast of it's about 1 :30 flight from
1 :27-AC-tell me when you think about, you've started a radio station there and you've helped other people start radio stations. When you think about just think about programming for different communities what do people want on the radio there?
1 :44-With the experience that I've had in broadcasting and radio, it's very very important to think about your audience, your people. You've got people who are illiterate. Some are not literate. So your audience is out there, so I think about the people and how I want to present to them. It's a matter of getting the message across to them clearly so that they can understand so they can understand. Whether it's in my local language or in english. So my audience is very important to me out there.
2:32-Ac-Do you have a radio station that's operating now in (somewhere)
2:36-F: Yes, I have, and it's been operating, goes back more than 10 years. I've had a lot of experience in radio around the country. (swallow) Met so many urn, people in the industry. So I started off as a musician. I'm still a musician but my my job is presiding or
broadcasting to the community.
3: 17-AC-And how often is your station on the air ever day? Many hours or what?
3:26-F: the station is normally operating everyday. We have our own local program two hours a day, five days a week. And we also have other indiginous cmmunity radio. When we're not broadcasting we switch over to the main network which is also anoth4er
indiginous radio station. We broadcast 4everyday, Monday to Friday. And we try to let people know that we've got this community radio, it's there for the people so they can listen to news, current affairs. Some of the local issues. Different changes to policies, educational, changing technology, whatever. It is there. A lot of people don't pick up the paper and they don't read the paper or watch television. Some people prefer to listen to radio.
4:49-AC-I know that that' s true, and I'm grateful that it is! (laughter) Do people in the community people you talk to on the radio and people call you up or people who ask you to talk about on the radio. Do they talk about reconcilliation. That's one of the subjects that we'e talked to the people about. I've talked to about it. I just wondered if you hear that in the community.
5:22-F: we have a type exchange which is the head office in Melbourne I think. And with the type exchange we have information whether through CD or other type. Through this type exchange we often hear about the reconcilliation referendum issues, Social Security, government tagging We have people who are already working on the industry so that thwhen they come to our community level then it's either rebroadcast in the community whether it's prerecorded or we hav ea group of people who translate into local languages or local dialects. So the information about reconcilliation land rights whatever is also an issue or is rebroadcast so the community as a whole can understand what is happening or going on around us. These are some of the issues that affect our everyday lives.
6:48-AC-In terms of your doing news programming and running a 2 hour daily program, is that something that people in the community are interested in (slight ramble) 7 :25-is this something people actually DO care about?
7:32-F-After seeing, and I've heard a lot of things that have happened in the community sometimes it's really important so that um, when you have these issues that do come up, something that's happening in the community, people need to be aware. They should be told. People need to be educated. For instance, say the We have to indicate those people whether it's in English, french whatever. We have to educate those people because we see it as we're part of the community and it's our role to get the message across to the people. So that they understand. So that if the government policy says give way to right, we've to explain that. We've to try to educate our people. Nobody in the community, the (something) is different than the (something). The (something2)
will pick up a paper. Year long, the aboriginal community, who can't read and write. What's the point of picking up a newspaper when they can't read. So they have to listen to the radio to find out there's something for them.
9:08-Ac-One of the things that people have been talking to me about is the way that language changes, and that must be really important for someone who's dealin with. Well, I mean language that's what radio is. What do you usually how do you usually talk when you go on the radio? (slight ramble about languages) 10:03-So what kind of language., if you want to speak to people in your community how do you speak?
10:09-F-I'll talk from my own experience. I'll have to speak to the people in a standard, a language that they will understand. If! talk to (miligembe) I'll speak them. If! go to . There's a similarity there because we can understand. The dialect is different. For example tiwi islands is different so I'll have to speak in simple English for them to understand. So that I'm talking to them as a rather than a to a Ballanda? There's an english that we use that is different when we talk to a non-aborginal. We have our ... what's the word? We don't use big words. Like graphical, ... etc. We make it simple so that people can understand. I've noticed that in my radio program, and I'm broadcasting to m non speaking area, that the people, they straight away pick I up because I'm using simple English, english that they wil understand.
11 :58-AC-So actually you're saying there's four language. English to whites. English to yulna (several pronounciations back and forth)
12:20 F-then there's another english that we don't use but often we use it too. It's broken english. In the southern part of a lot of people use broken English.
12:38-Ac-In your community, how many languages would just a normal person speak.
12:45- We have um, I think we, we have three-major languages in the are which are (somethings) Now, it all varies. They all vary. And then there's roughly about 16-18 different dialects. For instance, my language would be (blah) then the other language group would say (blah) (does this several times.) So they're all words for this. (gives examples) All different dialects, but still means. (gives more examples) but when you go to (somewhere) it's a totally different language. But we can still understand especially with my work and with my travels. So when I come to their country, I can understand what the word for 'this' or or 'that' is in their language.
14:37 ¿So you speak, how many? How many aboriginal languages do you think you speak?
14:46- Well, I speak several languages, several languages. Don't forget, English is maybe the 10-11th langauge, so English is not a second language. It is back there. It might be 4th or 5th.
15 :07 -And how many versions of english do you speak?
15: 19-I speak a few, but I sometimes have to use. (chatter a bit) I have to use Ballada language over englsh. In some part of the pacfic, they have french speakin people. They all speak their own language. Here, English is 4th 5th language. Like in tiwi islands, they speak their mother language, their grandmother language, etc. Whatever language they speak is number 1 and 2, English might be 4th or 5th.
16:18-AC-tell me again. If you're broadcasting in which version of which language do you use to speak?
16:31-F-I would, because I'm fluent with my mother language (name). (talk) Because I speak my mother language (gives example). To translate that into English, I would say My name is Frank (blah). When I'm broadcasting, I'm speaking a combination of (something something) so that if! say "my name is Frank (blah) today we got . So it' s a different combination when I'm, broadcasting on my show.
17:43 -Silence, while Alex looks at him blanking ;) then laughing. "My life is very easy"
17:57-AC-and then, you're going around and trying to help other people setup small radio stations in other places. Man it must be very complicated.
18: 12-F -yeah, I'm trying to setup, I want to set them up by I want to lay the foundation first so that I'm on a concrete kind of thing. Once I get established, then I can try to help them. So it'll expand, see the radio music and the setup that I'm trying to do here is urn, it'll grow. I've seen it progress and I[ve seen through my radio experience it can go a long way. And there' s people out there and when I'm doing a radio show and I've got a tape recorder going at the same time. I'll get rid of the tape, give it someone else, did you like the show or not? People that don't have a radio, give them a copy of the tape. Then they can listen to it too. (pause) And maybe one day too, I can talk to you on the internet. Face to face.
19:37-Ac-You're gonna get an internet station.
19:39-F -I'm working on it now. I'm already on the website. So I hopefully will be able to find you there and talk to you.
19:56-AC-Jt's amazing to me that aboriginal people still have this intense attachment to the land, and to a very very old culture and you're finding ways to get that culture to
adapt technology, so that culture is getting out. The internet, getting out in the radio. It's just amazing to me. Culture that is so old but still be fresh and current.
20:38-this culture is the oldest culture in the world and the term we use is using modern technology to get our culture across. The old culture, never been recorded, yes bring it up and use today's technology/tools, to send that message to the other side of the world.
21 :09-Ac-Do you have any advice, I'm going to and any advice you could give me, I'd be very glad to have.
21 :27 -F -Radio is very important to our people, not to give away radio. You know, because of the changing technology, and people will say Radio's too old. Cassette decks are getting old. Don't do away with it, radio is important, it' s something that with my experience and what I've experienced. Without the radio, I wouldn't be here. I listen to, takes me back to the 60s, I listen to voice of America. I listen to Radio Japan, Radio moscow. I am And when they started modify different signals and frequencies now we're on FM. Which is much better quality. What's next. I mean I know what's next. When technology is going to change, they're going to turn to radio so that wherever you are, you can get radio without any interference. So, using ballenda technology to get culture strong, to Dat or whatever, log in put it on the disk so it can never be forgotten. In the old days we used to archive them and if somebody light up a match, that's it, history. That's why it's very important to people to get this culture across. And also, for to communicate, that's why it's very important for (names) to work together, to work side by side and reach for the goal. And the radio is one of the tools that will bring us together. Through music bring together. Sort of like this, bring, you're from the other side of the world to talk to me. Probably first time to talkto a radio personality like myself (chuckle ). You know?
24:10-AC-You know what I gotta get, I gotta get a recording of the show. On casette or something so I can have a recording of the show and say ' this is what they do '.
24:24-F-The only, might have some copies of the music group on the show. Also, ABC has a shop in the town. They've got a compilation of top end music. That's something that you're looking for.
25: 11-AC-And are you playing the traditional music? F -Well, the recorded stuff is all contemporary. But AC-you're using Ballandar instruments or. .. ? F-We use guitars, sometimes we use digeridoos and c1apsticks. Sometimes we combine, using instruments together. A lot of bands today combine the music with traditional intruments.
26:04-AC-Well I'll get some of that.