Elephants crossing river
Butwal city ambi
NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
30 Mar 2001
- Chitwan National Park
- 27.5 84.33333
- 16:58 - 18:03
- 27.7 83.45
- 1:03:00 - 1:07:34
Stereo=1; Spaced Omni Stereo; DPA 4060 Omnidirectional Microphones; Decoded MS stereo
Log of DAT #: 13
Date: March 30/31, 2001
ng = not good
ok = okay
g = good
vg = very good
00:10 walking in forest with Danny ¿ on elephant
JN ¿ what was that noise you were making was that a rhino call?
VG 1:03 Danny ¿ making a rhino grunts¿.discussing rhino calls 2:16 the winners sreaching noise in the bag ¿ rhino calls¿..VG ---
2:34 PB - other calls that you like to do?
2:48 Danny - when they fight they do this ¿ whistling ¿ VG good whistle and a grunt - a rhino fighting
3:15 Danny ¿ monkey screaming VG
PB ¿ how about a tiger?
3:48 Danny ¿ making tiger sounds VG..they are huge, make very large noise and when roars it vibrates and goes in your heart ¿ makes you feel better. Keep listening. (this isnt very clear.)
4:41 walking on elephant in woods
5:46 Danny ¿ there are tracks in there
6:02 Danny making weird sounds ¿ to attract a tiger?
Walking on elephant in woods
6:53 Danny ¿ that is a sloth bear
7:34 walking on elephant in woods
Danny talking about seeing a mother and baby sloth bear encounter with an elephant
8:36 Danny ¿ there is a peacock there peacock on the right hand side
8:45 on elephant through grasses? (diff ambi)
9:13 Danny ¿ there are 2 males arguing. Trying to fight
9:42 Danny ¿ other day we saw 2 leopards here¿..
9:57 JN ¿ when a tiger finishes eating what does he leave behind.
Danny - Usually he is all finished and then afterwards comes wild boar, jackles, ??, and porcupine, birds of course ¿ he crow ¿ 3 or 4 of them (not sure what he is looking at) and mongoose, sloth bear maybe¿..magpie¿..
11:41 on elephant in woods ¿ interesting bird in bg (Danny says woodpecker)
12:13 Danny ¿ so we had a good tiger sighting ¿but here we had about 200 sighting from Sept through May, and 180 this year. Tiger sighting is not too bad. One day we saw 3 different tigers. Sometimes it looks like there are tigers everywhere. Another day I was taking a long drive¿¿.danny talking about seeing tigers¿.14:42
15:02 Danny ¿ if you see a tiger during the day you are very lucky
16;10 on elephant in woods
VG 16:59 ¿ 18:03 crossing a stream on the elephants
18:09 Danny ¿ for some reason it is very quite today
18:50 on elephant
19:36 Y ¿ up! A command to the elephant?
19:50-20:29 VG animal sound¿.(almost sounds like a "meow")
21: 52 on elephant
22:18 weird animal sound again, but talking in Hindi over it
22:41 crossing stream on elephant
VG - 22:59 Danny very fresh tracks down there
23:13 lot of splashing around in water on elephant
23:26 Danny making a sound to elephant?
23:52 command to the elephant ?
24:30 Danny - burning ¿ this whole ? goes on fire every year¿(Bill - these aren't set fires?) yes someone did it¿
25:31 command to elephant
26;00 on elephant
26:46 ¿ 28:42 Danny ¿ see the fire? Ambi on elephant
John talking about Hannibal crossing Europe on elephants
29;47 JN ¿ if a tiger grabs me by the throat don't drop the mic!
Bill ¿ and don't say anything
Peter ¿ if you lose consciousness it is okay
30:04 JN ¿ can we tape it to you , bc maybe we can get the sound of you being dragged off, and eaten (laughter by Bill)
30:16 JN ¿ we eventually located Bill, we found his skull (Peter ¿ and the tape was still rolling) JN ¿ and the tape was still rolling the bony ¿ (Peter ¿ and the levels were just right! Bill ¿ laughter) the bony bones of his hands were all that remained clapsed around him ¿ his skull and of course his stomach with the ??/ digested. 30:42
30:43 strangely the cause of death was chocolate covered espresso beans! One very alert tiger!
31:21 JN ¿ do tigers hunt at night ¿
31:25 Danny ¿ yes they are more active at night. They do hunt during the day also if they are really hungry. Usually early in the morning late evening¿..now they are walking around the areas marking territories, visiting females¿.
Peter ¿ social work
33:27 ¿ 37:57 elephant ambi NG
38:21 in MS ¿
38:48 ¿ 40:41 traveling minstrel VG ¿ some talking in bg
44:53 ¿ 51:43 more of the minstrel ¿ this time Bill has him sitting down
51:44 - ambi in the restaurant w/out the minstrel
talking to the guy playing the music
53:09 stating his name¿¿he plays the Sarangi¿he says his name
what are the songs about?
53:41 answer Hindi
53:47 songs about tragedy or about love
JN ¿ any songs about tigers?
JN ¿ has he ever seen one?
Man ¿ yes
JN ¿ was it around here/
Man ¿ in the hills ¿ further up¿.in zoo also¿.
54:33 JnN ¿ would he like that some environmental groups want there to be more tigers here ¿
would he like it?
Man ¿ it is alright but they should be in fences or cage¿.
MORE BACK AND FORTH WITH MAN
JN ¿ where is he from and how old is he?
Man ¿ 27 yrs old ¿ and comes from Baddan district
Man - The hills are here called the Downy (?) hills¿.
JN ¿ how does he think people in this community would react if they weren't allowed to roam freely in the woods and take as much as they want? If they had to change their life ¿ would that be hard for them?
57:22 Man ¿ answers¿¿right now they are able to access the forest, but if they cant access then they have a problem
JN ¿ what kind of problem?
Man ¿ if they can't get fuel then they can't cook food and they need the leaves for the livestock
PB ¿ does he know anyone who was attacked by tiger?
Man ¿ no tigers attacking people but goats.
PB ¿ that must be a real strain
Man ¿ it cost 2000 rupies for a goat so at least that money
59:30 ¿ 1:01:26 ambi in the area
1:02:57 - 1:07:15 ambi in Butwal ¿ busy in street, cars passing, horns, etc
1:08:12 in Butwal center the largest in the area
JN ¿ obviously 10s of thousands ¿ has it grown?
10:8:42 yes it has grown bc we have many migrants from the hills and they like the opportunity of settling in the city to start some enterprise to earn some money, so this grown really fast over the last 10, 15 yrs.
1:09:02 JN ¿ how can you possibly get tigers ¿ what do you mean when you talk about a bottle neck?
1:09:15 A bottle neck is those critical areas which are the gaps between forest, gaps between the connectivities, so there is not much we can do about Butwal bc this is an urban settlement area that can not be removed at all, but we plan to conserve the forest at the Chure Pahad Hills. And at the foot of the Chure Pahad Hills which I can point to right now here, some of those forests are in really good shape, and they can ¿ they act as connectivity between those areas, and we hope to do it through community forestry mostly, which is working with community who can manage and utilize and conserve the forest resources themselves.
JN ¿ yeah, I can see those hills sort of over the decomposing hills across the street. Would you have to change the way local people use those forests to insure that you might get some migration.
1:10:25 Actually most of the forests up there would be natl forests under the dept of forest, and they would not be used by local people. Local people are restricted use by them, but that doesn't mean that local people not using them, they are just going in illegally to collect they fodder, their wood, their timber, which is actually causing more degradation than if they were allowed ownership of those forest and manage them themselves. Which is what we hope to do ¿ have these community forests which the local people have ownership over then they can conserve and manage the forests themselves and able to utilize their resources. Then they understand the value of the forests and the value of the forest products and they realize they want to keep the forest for a long time. Whereas, presently they are natl forest out of the dept of forest, the local people are actually restricted legal use of them, and they are going in illegally and they are causing mass degradation.
JN - What kind of degradation?
1:11:29 There is illegal timber felling, illegal grass cutting, for foder and then also taking out the ??? but not in a proper management
JN - and when you go up and do those things and take apart a forest like that, how does that get in the tigers way?
1:11:54 Well, these are forests where even now there are sitings of tigers, so when the tigers loose their habitats then they may come out and that would cause more conflict with the local people. (LOUD HORNS) they will come to prey on live stock, they will even attack humans. Their loosing their own habitat means of course the loss of the species.
JN ¿ you know it is ¿ you are saying there are govt owned lands and that isn't working¿.
1:12:35 it is more be the govt couldn't have the necessary resources and the man power to look over these large areas. That is what is happen. Bc we have community forestry, where the govt is handing over forests to the communities, and WWF is working for that ¿ for strengthening the communities, and proper forest management practices and conservation awareness, and in those cases the forests have been restored, and that has been a ?? conservation practice.
JN - So the change that you would propose at its most vast would be the one that would take place in those hills, above those decomposing bldgs.
1:13:23 In the hills, and also in some of the forest at the foot of the hill also
1;13:36 ambi in the area
Bill ¿ can you do it over ¿ it is too loud
JN ¿ Us and federal lands ¿
1:14:08 The govt at times does not have manpower or the resources to protect that area, but the concept of the Terai Arc is not just community forest ¿ we also are working in protected areas, like the Royal Chitwan Natl park, the Royal Bardia Natl Park¿so we are working in protected areas¿¿(ambi too loud behind her) so we are working in protected areas¿¿.for anti poaching.. and at the same time youwant to work in the forests outside of the protected areas w/community forestry, where the local people can be motivated and with the proper training can manage their own forest. 1;14:55
JN ¿ nothing is going on here¿..this is the ultimate test
1:15:09 Well, community forestry has been quite successful in Nepal, there are other NGOs working for it¿.WWF¿it is a proven successful strategy
JN ¿ on that scale?
1:15;27 well, in many parts of Nepal it has already been proven successful. Communities can be mobilized¿.it is not something new ¿maybe in some of the areas we go into ¿ some of the bottleneck areas it will be new. But we have a lot of experience and a lot of developed manpower about community forests already working in Nepal. So we should be successful.
JN ¿ I guess one of the messages you are trying to send out is that if you are trying to be