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Former Director General Department of National Parks and Wildlife Conservation; Terai Arc; Chitwan and Bardia National Park; Indian Rhinoceros; Asian Elephant; Bengal Tiger  

NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
28 Mar 2001

    Geography
  • Nepal
    Madhyamanchal
    Locality
  • Chitwan National Park
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  • 27.5   84.33333
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  • Stereo
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  • 48kHz
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  • 16-bit
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  • Stereo=1; Spaced Omni Stereo; DPA 4060 Omnidirectional Microphones; Decoded MS stereo

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RADIO EXPEDITIONS
Show: Nepal
Log of DAT #: 8
Engineer: McQuay
Date:

BODY MICS ¿ AT THE ELEPHANT STABLE

Early in the morning ?
1:13 ambi in area ¿ not much here¿..some people talking, roosters in bg
2:12 change in volume¿..talking in Hindi¿..people drinking tea

setting up for a stand up

12:12 ¿ stand up ¿ no good

13:17 when you talk about base camps in Nepal you usually think about the one on Everest at 17,500 feet, but there is another one near sea level that may be of even more importance are run.

14:08 when you think about base camps on Nepal you usually think about the one on Mt Everest at 17,500 feet, but there is another one, at sea level, at the base of the mtns, where NO

15:36 when people think about base camps in Nepal, they usually think of the one at 17,500 feet near Mt. Everest, but there is another base camp, near sea level at the top of the Ganges River plain that expeditions that maybe of more environmental importance are run. This is the King Mahendra Trust for nature preservation, and we are surrounded by elephants, and mahouds and those are the people that ¿..NOPE

16;54 (this is also on John's mic ¿ DAT 3) when people talk about base camps in nepal they ususally talk about the one when people think about base camps in Nepal they usually think about the one at 17,000 feet near Mt. Everest that is possibly more important environmentally. It is near sea level at the top of the Ganges River plain. This is the Kind Mahendra Trust for Wildlife Conservation. And it as at the edge ¿ we are here¿¿that is where we are this morning and we are getting ready to get up on some elephants and go out and round up some rhinos 17:36

18:55 ¿ 23:05 ambi in the area ¿ roosters¿..some talking in Hindi in bg¿..
19:20 ¿ elephant snorting
20:24 hep! (??) maybe a mahoud is saying this¿.??
20:48 (again ¿ a short command to elephant?)
21:18 another command
22:01 laughing (mahouds laughing?)

23:16 ¿ 24:53 loading up with the elephants BODY MICs
talking in Hindi ¿ back and forth

25:12 John climbing on to an elephant (not a distinct sound)

26:05 Bill getting on to an elephant

26:05 MAHANDRA: it is training. When it is 3 or 4 yrs old and ???? it is quite difficult to train a big one, so you have to have a small one, and it depends how he or she got training¿¿ 5/6 months? We are training 2 elephants in our elephant breeding center. the training ¿ they teach all the commands they are using. They process to make used to memorize all those things (not clear)

28:23 ¿ 29:23 ambi on back of elephant (a bit windy?)

29:47 ambi on back of elephant

29:59 Mahendra states his full name. Ecologist in the dept of natl park.

30:15 ambi on back of elephant

30:25 Mahendra ¿ now we are searching for a male rhino on the way to the entrance coming to this area (? Hard to understand) they say that there is one male rhino they saw here ¿ today after that we have plan to capture one female. I understand we are taking 2 males, one female to Bardia Natl park

31:00 ¿ 38:25 ambi back of elephant
31:29 since ?? we are searching rhino
31:45 back and forth on rhino ¿ fast talking in Hindi
36:36 interesting sound
36:42 elephant horn
37:18 faster talking ¿ excited talking
37:32 bark (?)

38:31 Mahendra ¿ we are just bringing this to the open land

38:52 angry talking¿..ambi on back of elephant

40:54 Mahendra - we are calling on more elephants, bc we don't have enough bc these elephants are untrained (?) ¿ he turns on the radio?

41:42 talking on the radio, calling for more elephants¿.talk on the radio
42:51 talk on radio

46:28 barking ? hitting elephant?
47:18 elephant huff

47:32 Mahendra - I just instructed him to prepare a sled and told him everything bc rhino darted

48:09 bird?

50:00 exciting screaming ¿ in Hindi

56:22 ¿ Mahendra - ???? down¿completely¿ (hard to understand him)

56:25 ¿ things quite down a little bit¿

59:49 Mahendra ¿ don't get down, ok?

1:00:03 animal sound¿.??/ not sure who ¿ some little barking too¿.not sure who¿.

1:00:24 tractor moving in

1:01:30 tractor closer in¿moving in¿.

1:03:39 a grunt (rhino grunt?)

1:03:57 a thump ¿ loading rhino on sled???

1:04:41 WEIRD sound ¿.the rhino????

1:05:28 horn from tractor

1:09:24 you should pull, pull that side!

1:09:46 digging the ditch?

1:22:43 lifting the rhino?? VG sound of guys ¿ with motor of tractor in the bg

1:15:41 motor of tractor dies down

1:16:55 ambi: loading the rhino, standing by truck here ¿ still in bush ¿ rhino on sled ¿ clearing a path to take it out?

1:17:49 finally out

1:18:24 different sound coming from tractor

1:19:46 Bill running ahead to have the tractor go past him

1:20:16 Bill getting close to crates where putting rhino in

1:20:44 tractor passing by

1:21:33 Bill moving back over to crates¿lots of screaming¿..tractor moving around

1:24:51 We are translocating some rhinos from Chitwan Natl Park. They are loading it into the crate then after it is inside the crate then they wake up the animals ¿ they give the antidote, then they wake up the animal, then they load it into the truck to carry it all the way to Bardia Natl Park, in the western part.

1:25:27 JN ¿ and you are able to do this bc this is one of maybe 2 places in the world where you have a lot of greater one horned asian rhinos.

1:25:34 Yeah, actually that is right. In chitwan natl park we have 612 one horned rhino and in the past during 1950 we used to have 1000 rhinos, but bc of the heavy settlement in Chitwan Natl Park they population was decreased and by mid 60s the population went down less than 100. So, in 1970 we started this natl park and after they successful conservation the population boost up from 100 to 615, and the population is getting very high in Chitwan natl park, so we thought why don't we establish another population in Bardia Natl Park, so we plan to translocate this rhino to Bardia Natl Park. This is the 6th time we are translocating. All together we have 63 rhinos to Bardia natl Park, and we have got now 73 rhinos in Bardia Natl Park. 1:26:44

1:26;40 I am Teer Hamas Day (???) ABOVE MAN states his name¿.he is the director, general dept, of the Natl Park

JN ¿ this looks like a resuce operation, but it is not ¿ it is a success story

1:26:53 Teer ¿ yes, actually, right now we are very proud to say we have the second population before 1970s ¿ we had only one single population in Chitwan Natl Park. So we are --- ??/ -- it is like we are managing this animal in island ¿ it is surround by the settlements. So we are scared something might happen to the animals, and if it happened all the population would wipe out. So, we translocate to the other area. So if something happen to this population we still have another population.

1:27:28 JN ¿ so you don't have all your eggs in one basket.

Teer ¿ no! w e want to spread it so that they will be safe for a long time.

JN - As a Nepali you must be very proud when you see this happen.

1:27;46 Teer ¿ yes, we are very proud ¿ we have got all the trained people. We have got all the people involved since 1973 in the research work, translocating, capturing tiger, rhinos, so we have a team of very expert. They know what to do. So that is why we are successful in translocating. In short time we catch the animals, and loaded it ¿ so yesterday we catch 2 rhinos and the time was only 1 hour and 20 mins we did all the job.

JN ¿ It is funny ¿ I think so many people don't even know there are rhinos in Nepal. They think there are mtns in Nepal, that is it. They don't know what they are missing, do they?

1:28:27 Teer ¿ that is right. Actually when I was in states people asked me from where you are and I would say from Nepal and bc my specialty is crocodiles they would say ¿ oh, you have crocodiles in the mtns? we have such a variety in Nepal ¿ we have got the sub tropical land, we have the mtn land, and the high mtn, so we in 200 kilometer distance, the elevation varies from 300 feet above sea level to the highest part of the world and there is a variety of biodiversity.1:29:09

1:29:10 JN ¿ yeah, and the amazing thing that you are able to bring these populations up in a park that is surrounded by 250,000 people.

1:29:18 Teer- yeah, actually we are giving very good protection in the protected area and we are also involving people in the conservation. So we declared this buffer zone area, we are sharing the park revenue with the local community. So we are working with the communities, giving them some development work like the road construction, school construction, and now the people are changing their attitude. They are saying they don't need national park bc they didn't know the value of the natl park. Now after 2 and a half decades they start knowing how important the natl park is for the livelihood of people living out on the parks. So they are getting about 25 million Nepalese rupies every year, as a share of the park revenue and they are using this for the different development work in the community. 1:30:13

1:30:18 Teer - yeah, that is right, the most income we get is from tourism. We have got 7 ?? hotels inside the park and 94% of the park revenue is collected from tourism,so the ecotourism is the most imp part for the Royal Chitwan Natl Park.

1:30:38 Teer - yeah, when I talked about 1973 we used to have less than 100 tourists now we have got 100,000 tourists every year. So this number is encouraging. And it is becoming one of the popular sites ¿ favorite sites even in this region.

1:31:00 JN ¿ it is still a secret to a lot of the world.

1:31:01 Teer ¿ yeah, many people do not know about this, but now we are trying to publicize to the whole world, that Nepal is a very small country but it has a big wealth in national resources.

JN ¿ this was a hunting ground once?

1:31:19 Teer ¿ yeah, it was. Before 1950s, this area was used by the then Rhana prime minister. It was ruled by the Rhana. So it was hunting. They invite the dignitaries from India¿¿..in one hunt there is record of killing 25 tigers in one hunt. And they have killed so many rhinos and so many other animals. So before 1950, actually this area was malaria infected so not many people lived here, only the indigenous people live here they called the Taru, they are immune to the malaria. In 1950, with the help of USAID malaria was eradicated. Then the people start migrating into this valley and we didn't ??? we lost more than 60% of the rhino habitat ¿ we turned to the agriculture. So that is why the rhino habitat is shrinking but the rhino populations is increasing. So this is one of my challenging ¿ how to manage this increase in population. So that is why we are translocating some of the animals to the other park.

1:32:46 This Terai Arc project is a based on the landscape conservation. Now we have different protected area systems. We have 16 different type of protected area in Nepal. Now the first step will be connecting these protected areas to each other by creating corridors and connectivities, and then we go to the international level, so we started talking discussing with our Indian partners about the trans-border conservation, so WWF is assisting us to create all this buffer zone and connectivity; w/in the country as well as internationally. Bc this animals ¿.??? Indian park¿good trans border mtgs every 2 years and we discuss about the ??? so now we are looking at ??? this Chitwan Natl Park is very small park for tiger conservation. The tiger population is increasing so they have to move out so if there is nothing left outside the project area the long term survival of tiger is not possible. So that is why are looking at big equal region areas which is also called the Terai Arc

JN ¿ they got it inside ¿

It is not jumping now ¿ just woke up

1:34:28 yes, we know how to do it til now we have translocated more than 50 rhinos, yes. very good. They are increasing. Their population is going up, and it is doing very good¿¿?????hard to hear him¿.????close to Indian border ¿ trying to study movement of these animals for one year and then we will decide to relieve more animals are not¿¿1:35:31

1:35:46 JN ¿ you guys are setting the standard here¿you are about to take it to the next level¿.essentially what you want to do is reconnect the neckalce¿.

1:36:10 man ¿ yes, creating forests ¿ and in that matter also we are involving loal communities. W/out their help it is not possible. Bc there are many people living in btwn the protected are so we have to convince them the important of conservation and all those sort of things. So we are working with people with connectivity and corridors, and all those sort of things. This is one of our successful story. 1:36:38

JN - in the morning that guy is going to be in Bardia.

1:36:59 man- the habitat is almost same ¿ it is only a little bit dry¿..

PB t run away, then I turn on my flashlight then the rhino run away. So the next day when I check on the footprint the footprint is just next to my tent, next step on my body. 1:39:59

1:40:00 end of DAT

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