Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary
NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
26 Jun 1997
CaliforniaSanta Barbara County
- Santa Barbara
- 34.42889 -119.70528
- 2:29 - 21:44
CaliforniaSanta Barbara County
- Santa Barbara; Mission Santa Barbara
- 34.43833 -119.71392
- 33:22 - 34:52
Stereo=1; Split track; Decoded MS stereo
Channel Islands--Int. w/ first manager of Channel Islands.
bg talking about disney, etc ...
2:42 fc My name is Francesca Cava, in 1987 I came to santa barbara for the first time and i was the 1st manager of the c.i. nms we started our office right here in santa bab. in 1989 unfort. for me, i was promoted and moved to wash dc where eventually i became the dir. of the nms porgram and the est. research prog and i was in that job from 1982-1984. (sound is g, x-cept you can hear breathing in bg)
3:13 ac tell me if u will, you then are familiar with the founding of the sanc. and the kind of gen purpose behind marine sanctuaries, what is the gen purpose behind ms?
3:28--4:03 fc well for any body that's lived on the east coast i think a good analogy would be to say imag nyc w/o a central park and then try to imag creating a central park now the concept is is that we need to id and protect those special areas for the future b/c in the future, in fact even now its get. more + more diff to do that b/c of the competition between people and nature so i think s ability to set aside very special places to look at them to look after them to preserve them for the future ...
... . ac talks about editor's confusion ...
4:29 if you think back to when were est, parks were set up for the enjoyment of the people, to go to camp in fact in the 1800s it was not unheard of that you went to hunt and there were even complaints that the birds were making too much noise. sanc are not like that, they are not solely for the enjoyment of people, its a recognition that these are special places for the health of our earth and people so we need to know more about them and we need to protect them. some people would argue that we also need to use them but i think the question is that we don't know enough about the ocean to use it indiscriminately and i think sanc give us the potential to learn through research just what the limits are of how we use and enjoy and preserve the ocean areas.
5:20 if you looked around the border of the us, how much of those water off our shores is sanc. waters?
5:30 oh, less than 2% i mean a small tiny amt. is sanc water i'm
orig. from alaska and i'm surprised that ak of all places hasn't (boat in bg) joined sanc system b/c of all the spectacular resources which could pot become a part of this system (boat in bg) on the other hand i understand the strong resistance against any fed control and the suspicion that a program like this might prempt state-rights i think there has to be a balance btwn what. local people can accept and what they want/need. because if that
participation isn't there the program will never be successful.but also i think you have to look at the good not only the us but for the world what is so precious that we should set it aside for protection and for special status.
6:33 ac these sanc have been controversial ...people are arguing intensely about what does it mean to be a sanctuary what does it mean to protect a resource if your going to protect this resource does it mean i can't go fish there?
6:57 fc i think it's always going to be a controversy, if you look not just in the past about what people have thought about sanctuaries but you look in the future about what people are going to think about the sanc. think about it now we have. 75% people living on the coast, we're going to project to increase that population by the millions, where are those people going to live (slight boat sound in bg) when they move to the coast what is there impact going to be not just to other people/ not just to the land not just on other people not just to the land so there's going to continue to be a controversy (*) i guess the underlying question is going to be--do you think there are portions of the ocean that are imp enough to protect think (boat) do you think there are portions of the ocean that ...el nino
.. ......what are all those interactions between people and the ocean and how can we can we develop our future so that we don't inadvertantly har.m that delicate balance that exists.
8:34 how do you get people to understand what sanctuaries are? when can't draw a line that we can see around the sanc ...b/c its over the horizon ... its a concept that i don't know if we can grasp in its full reality
9:24 fc ...i don't think the physical boundary of the sanctuary is that important but take living in santa barab ....people here think they are very environmentally aware and yet very few people have gone the twenety miles to see the channel islands ...you first need to understand that something exists (noaa needs to promote education)
10:21 ac are there going to be more sanctuaries in the future and do we need more sanc in future? do you think we need to devote more att or more resources to them?
10:30 until people clearly inderstand why we are doing sanc, i think its hard to promote more sanctuaries, on the other hand if we don't set aside sanc. now, its not going to be and easier, my personal opinion is that there do need to be more sanctuaries but i think you need to be very clear about why you are setting them up and what they're going to mean and i think its going to be a struggle to clearly articulate why we're doing this and how much we need to do and that's okay i think actually part of the success will be to have that dialogue happen rather than to say
we don't know how to do it or we don't understand what we're doing, we will make progress happen if we keep talking about what needs to be done.
11:50 ac ... what would sanctuaries do if they had more money?
12:00 fc 13 million dollars is alot but not enough. if you look at some parks, some parks receive more fed. money than the entire sanc program what do you want to get out sanc. programs some people thought they passes sanc act blc they thought some of that money would go towards protection, well i can tell you that we know almost nothing about the sanctuaries even after 20 years of the sanctuary program ...
13:20 fc to say that we are capable of protecting the sanctuary is ludicrous ...
15:05 ac one of the things we've discovered is that ... there are these resurgent pop. of interesting animals in sanc waters ....
16:45 fc ...gradual change is happenning to things that are perhaps not important to the public but are very imp to the ecosystem and i think that is something that needs to be watched.
17:18 ac what would you say to get people to get people to the sanctuaries
17:26 fc a very important man in the world of oceans just died ... (mourning cousteau) --but nothing can replace your actually being involved... i can't convince people to do this ... (more talk about why you should go out and visit sanctuaries)
19:26 i think the m sanc can provide more than just an environmental or an aesthetic part to our lives--a couple of years ago the arb-israeli peace process held one of it environ sessions in santa bab. using sanc. as the host from the concept that not just sanc. can also mean peace but that sanc could allow you to transced strong diff. people ...
when you try and reach out and grab that elusive definition of what is a marine sanc i would ask that you go beyond the physical bounds of the water and environ. and look at other problems where sanc. could playa part in helping to solve those prob and making us all better individuals ...
ac and in what way would they do that?
... 20:41 they came to santa barbara what if we had some kind of environmental disaster, saddam hussein ... sanc. can provide forum for a discussion on how we can solve bigger issues ...
she doesn't really answer the question, that is: why marine sanc. are particularly good places to provide forums for helping to solve the kinds of questions she seems to believe that they can.
However, she seems to be onto something interesting i think maybe she's thinking of the complexity of human interaction and interdependency as mirrored in ecosystems (one is analogous to the other, etc)
21:45 End of interview
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