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Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary  

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NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
25 Jun 1997 at 15:20

  • United States
    Ventura County
  • Anacapa Island; Arch Rock area
  • 34.01722   -119.35722
  • Ocean
  • Stereo
    Sampling Rate
  • 48kHz
    Bit Depth
  • 16-bit
    Equipment Note
  • Stereo=1; Decoded MS stereo; Spaced Omni Stereo

NMS RE Channel Islands
DAT #6

Fred Benko (FB)
Ed Cassano (EC)
Alex Chadwick (AC)
Michael Schweppe (MS)

0:01 Spaced ominis? Getting into Kayak __0:12 "Getting into a kayak"

foghorn in the background and sea bird fx (g)

0:17-0:40 Talk about getting into Kayak "how to", equip noise

paddlig noises (g) and then waves

2:24 ms "okay this is a blow hole"
crashing wave fx, occasional bird and fog horn

4:15 ms "okay that's fine, sounds nice"

4:50 going to a diff spot--arch?
more paddling

5:28 ms "was looking for a waterproof tummy bag ... " travelling in the kayak, paddling, fh, more of the same

8:00-9: passing boat

8:08 loud fog horn again 8: 52

9:24 fh and passing boat
9:45 "Let's go check out this little cave"
ms "okay" going towards cave water sounds getting louder

11:12 "ah, don't want to take a chance of spilling you"
"yea let's not" "looks great but ... "

ms forgets his life preserver

12:09 "photo shoot in the arch" water noises quieting down

taking pictures of them in their kayaks
lapping water

15:15 motor roar interview--fred

monologue as paddling

15:58 Well, we're in ana cappa island here this is, the famous arch rock prob the most photographed and best seen feature of all the channel islands, this rock is the furthest east point on the northernmost channel island, east end of ana cappa island , a beautiful structure (g) beaut. arch. just to the right of us, right at the main island itself below the lighthouse and the fog horn which you can here off in the distance is one of the largest pelican rookeries in the world, this is the biggest of the brown pelican rookeries the rocks are all white and drenched with many years of pelican dung there b. pelican has come back very well after near extinction pretty close to losing all of them as a result of DDT destroying the integrity of the eggs, uh but now that DDT has been stopped and intensive protection has been put on these animals they've rebounded v well and b pelican stocks are back again 17:17

17:21 Fred, when the sanc. was first proposed there were a # of people that didn't think it was a very good idea people in yr. industry, sportsman, fisherman, and c told me that you were one of them, i don't know if that's exactly accurate or not

17:36 Well, none of us were evry excited about the prospect of having govt. regulation on an area that we pretty much regarded as our own--our fishing grounds for many years, urn but the sanc came in with the assurance that the fisheries would not be impacted that they would still stay under local control and so most of that resistance went away and with time oh there are still some hold outs some areas of commercial industry that are not in favor of the sanctuary but really not with any cause because the sanctuary has done an outstanding job and it has not interfered with our fisheries in any way and has enhanced the cooperation.. in fact protection afforded by the sanc. means good things for years to come.

talk about hiking tours to ana cappa island

19:16 f "for my interests i think that santa rosa and san miguel are by far the most interesting of the island chains they are a lot more rugged and not as hospitable to the tourist but they're interesting islands--fascinating"

19:47 f "you know they're diff in almost ev way, geologically, you've noticed how diff the climate is .... (talk about weather)

20:36 "45 miles that's all it is from one end to another ... more like 60 miles" fog horn in bg

21:38 I think with the park service now taking more active role in the islands they're prob be more visitation here on islands santa cruz will prob get bulk of traffic.

22:00 bg talk about passing boat--dive boat talk

22:35 fb That's another thing that changes from one island to the next, water clarity you're literally in a diff ocean here than you are when you get to san miguel, here that water is clear, 66 degrees this morning fair and calm i can assure you that san miguel does not have 66 degree water today and that not clear its probably green and plankton laden the water out there is alive there's so much food a out there ...

23:09 ec And that really points to why this place was designated as a sanctuary, the upwelling of a point conception which brings cold nutrient rich water to the surface which is invected current-wise and bathes miguel and santa rosa in nutrient rich water that its a cold current northern current from alaska and then there's a counter current that comes from the south which is a warmer subtropical current and the two currents meet in the channel islands. so you get animals that you would only see in the south here and you see animals that you would only see in the north here there at extreme edges of their ranges. so the diversity is just incredible and prolific. 23:53

23:54 fb The western end of the channel is one of those remarkable places where as far as marine animals are concerned you can inone day see .... {list} ...all in the same spot... (more list} 24:31

talk about repositioning

25:37 ec You know one thing that always amazes me is here we are floating on the surface of the water but really in the context of where we are in place ana cappa island and the channel islands are the tops of uplifted volcanic structure--the area is called continental borderlands literally off santa cruz its a mile deep if we go towards the mainland 11 miles from here we'll be going into very deep water--300 fathoms 1800 ft so its a complex arrange. of canyons and ridges, v deep. you'll see off to yr. starboard a freighter

freighter going by fx

26:37 ac " what is it that the sanc. protects" talk about oil platform--marking boundary

27:00 ec "the sanctuary prohibits the exploration and drilling for hydrocarbons and protects the cultural and historical shipwrecks and Chumash sights that have emerged? it provides a context for ecosystem management, there are existing operations that certainly do pose a threat closely w/coast threat . .. "

27:44 ac "how would you define a marine sanctuary"

28:14 ec "The channel is close to a v large metropolitan island-¬Los Angeles ... (talk about sustainable use ... )" (not very interesting--nvi)

29:18 ec "It's a stewardship role .. . community inextricably linked. for a variety uses if its done in a wise format we'll be able to enjoy it for years to come"

talk about markers of boundaries (nvi)

31:16 ac "explain what a sanctuary is"
ec "place of ecosystem management" resource protection

32:01 ec "Certainly want to encourage people out here b/c our gr. advocates are people been here"

33:06 fb "Los marineras is a program that started off for underprivileged kids in s barabara area to teach them about marine env. and marine sciences ev fifth grader in this area has a chance to take a year of las mar. marine sciences and then at the end of that we have two boat trips on the condor one to take em whale watching to experience the ca gray whale migration and take them out to s cruz to let them see the island environment ...more about community involvement/education (35:57)

How to define sanc.

Definition of sanc.

37:25-39:09 ec explanation of where sanctuary is ... and layout of the sanctuary "sitting in a big bite"

recording of fog horn

43:00;43:06; 43:21--fh, birds l water, passing boat, can hear kids on board ship talking, leave b/c boat making too much noise

paddling to new destination

48:10-50:20 sound of paddling mixed with boat and fog horn, talk about boat boat goes away, just sounds of paddling and fog horn, another boat comes

53:49 PRG 4, ms, tied up to some kelp?

ambi water, boat, birds, fh

preparing for dive and swim in kelp forest

56:24 "alright alex let's get wet"
diving in water alex and ed? talk about temp.

56:50 ac description of water what looks like
"water is cobalt blue, i guess we're in about forty feet of water ... " take swim through resurface--58:19 "like flying through a forest ... "starts to get more distant
fb describes fish that live in kelp forest

1:00:00 going all the way down to look at where kelp attached, holdfast 1:00:37 going down to take a look

1:00:59 resurfaces

1:01:35 ac "can see straight to bottom 40 ft down"
voices getting more distant

1:05:14 ec "hey alex see diff type of algae ... "

taking a closer look, ambi

1:05:14 talk about diff type of algae more dives for close look at algae

1:05:52 ec "alot of urchins down there"

1:06:45 spotting fish and explanation by ec (nice segment)

1:0715 ec When we talk about submerged resources here, right up the coast near ana cappa is the sight of the oldest shipwreck in the sanc. Winfield Scott"

talk about purple urchins, eating kelp, cycles, ex. el nino talk about movement of cycles, importance of long-term study (sound not as good)

Going into Cave

ambi swimming, splashing

1:10:19 Well we're inside (great sound) echo-ey cough

1:10:30 ac so this is a cave that is maybe 30 ft deep ... (begins well, ends nvg)

1:13:19 ac absolutely cold black ...nvg

Talk about Jacques Cousteau

1:14:12 ac This is June 25th and as we sit here in this sanctuary, swimming in it, we know that the news has come today that JC has died Wondered what you thought about sitting here?

1:14:39 Floating here because JC and his family ...i really think he's had a profound affect on the way that we view the oceans today they're not the dumping grounds that we thought they were. they are v sensitive env. that need our stewardship and protection

ambi fh, water, birds
1:17:10 ms

1:17:29 ms again fx of boat, fh

1:18:45 motor startup

1:20:17 voice over radio "is ev. secure and ready to go?"

1:21:44 diff boat noises, engine (sounds like an airplane)

1:24:29 ms, coming into harbor

1:25:20 rolling some tape, off-mic voices

1:27:45-1:28:00 sea lion noises? (g)

1:28:38-1:29:50 more sea lions clanging in bg. talking in bg. about sea lion's mating season (nvg)

ambi boat, water

1:35:37 ac "Here you are back in santa barabara ... what would you tell other people about the sanctuaries?"

1:35:54 ec "think i would try to impart the great diversity that's out there and try and make them understand that by understanding what's out here you can understand what's out there ... there's life out here ...and really the cycle of life, i'd ask them to understand that and through that level of understanding they would begin to understand the complexity of the environment ...1:36:39

1:36:42 ac "How many people out here can actually go out there, is it a resource for everybody?"

1:36:47 ec it is absolutely a resource ...visit on internet (mentions, whaling boats and other boats as well as airplanes to the islands, not very believable because ev he mentions wouldn't be affordable for a lot of people)

1:37:35 ec S. Barbara has a great history, this whole region does and ca trade and of course before that the Chumash and its that sense of history and really the future that we're trying to connect because we want it to be there in the future.

more boat fx, kids on wharf?

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