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NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
23 Jun 1997

    Geography
  • United States
    California
    Santa Barbara County
    Locality
  • Channel Islands
    Latitude/Longitude
  • 34.15   -119.83333
    Habitats
  • Ocean
    Recording TimeCode
  • 4:46 - 55:35
    Geography
  • United States
    California
    Santa Barbara County
    Locality
  • Santa Cruz Island; Painted Cave
    Latitude/Longitude
  • 34.07056   -119.86028
    Habitats
  • Ocean
    Recording TimeCode
  • 56:21 - 1:30:29
    Geography
  • United States
    California
    Santa Barbara County
    Locality
  • Santa Cruz Island; Smugglers Cove
    Latitude/Longitude
  • 34.02   -119.54028
    Habitats
  • Ocean
    Recording TimeCode
  • 1:39:19 - 1:41:19
    Channels
  • Stereo
    Sampling Rate
  • 48kHz
    Bit Depth
  • 16-bit
    Recorders
    Microphones
    Accessories
    Equipment Note
  • Stereo=2: 1=L, 2=R; Decoded MS stereo; Spaced Omni Stereo

NPR/NGS RADIO EXPEDITIONS
Channel Islands
DAT 1
Log

Fred Benko (Fred)
Ed Cassano (Ed)

on the boat, heading out -Michael going to test the wind

00:34-4:10 on the boat, motor ambi, waves hitting side of boat

g 2:38-4:10 in the front of the boat

4:51 AC -what are these things?

Fred -well, they are party balloons. You know when kids have parties and they release the balloons, safely over land but they end up over the sea, over the water a lot of the times. The problem with them is that the sea turtles often confuse them for jelly fish which is their favorite food and as they eat these balloons they get impacted in their intestines and it kills them. So we don't like to kill our turtles

AC -so you just pick them up and pop them.

Fred -yeah, anytime we find them we just get rid of them

POPPING in bg (but a motor is running and popping not so good

5:42 Fred -mylar ones are the worst, they look just like a jelly fish -you know they are already endangered animals, they don't need this garbage to get them too. Plastic bags and balloons, and mylar balloons are death to the endangered sea turtles.

6:08 -AC -yeah, we got -

Fred -we have seen the leather backs -the beautiful leather backs. Right here, right off Santa Barbara point about a 7 foot leather back. I have seen a couple of different occasions. I don't know if it is the same animal. I kind of doubt it and we get the greens, the ridley's -they come through this area. Especially this year. We got an El Nino brewing, they are saying it is as big an El Nino as the '83 even, and that was a massive event. So all kinds of things happen when that happens. '83 and '84 we had marlin right here -fish that are normally out in Cabo, a thousand miles south of
here, were up in this area, right up in the santa barbara channel. We had yellow tail in great numbers and barracuda 7:15

7:24 -?? they have been spotting giant squid

Fred -yeah, they have been fishing for them

AC -how big?

Fred -oh they get big, they are like this -and they are actually fun to catch. They are voracious fish. When they are around everything else is terrified, bc they are really quite a predator -stripped bass -yeah we had a bunch of them.

9:01-9:23 boat engine? Very loud -good -

9:24 -talk on deck-.talk about problem with the motor ..

10:10 radio talk

10:56 talk on dec-

11:21 -different boat engine -increase in speed?

G 11:47-12:11 boat engine

12:30 -boat engine -looking for dolphins

13:09 -Fred (?) here they come (the dolphins) here they come right now. These are commons, they are under the bow. We have had a lot of these animals that have been mixed together.

13:26 AC -how many dolphins are there right now?

Ed (?) you have got to be looking at 4 or 5 hundred if not more -several hundred or more -

Fred -we have had some mixed schools with common dolphins and pacific white-side dolphins and northern right whale dolphins all swimming together -so far all I see here are the commons.

AC ? Whew!

Fred -they are having a ball with us -you can see them splashing around us and they are going through their acrobatics. They love to have somebody to play with.

14:03 AC -and how many do you think are here now?

Fred -well, as you can see this school extends on up for oh -a half mile ahead of us and goes back behind us for a mile or more. So there are several hundred animals here -at least -

Ed -I think you are up at around 5 or 6 hundred.

Fred -yeah, I think that is a good guess Ed. You see a lot of puppies in here -see the little ones -the little calves?

AC -they are kind of running along the boat. aren't they worried about getting hit?

14:36 -Fred -you know, I don't think we could hit them if we tried. They come to us, and they love to get a ride off the pressure wave or the hull. They are like surfers -they get their little push off the pressure wave -that you can hear them -the splashing that you are hearing there is these animals as they come up to breath. You can sometimes hear a little squeak too, if they are talking to us

*15:00 -waves hitting side of boat (from dolphins?)

15:15 Ed -there is a big pressure wave out in front that they ride on. It is interesting -if you watch for a long time you'll see different dolphins maneuver positions. There is a prime spot on that bow. And usually a larger dolphin will occupy it and then you will see them interact with each other. Dolphins are very -they bump each other, they nip each other. They touch each other quite a bit.

15:39 AC -the surface of the water is all active here -

Ed? -And that is from the dolphins -you are seeing the effect of the dolphins actually on the ocean itself. If this was a flat calm day you could pick this disturbance up on radar miles away.

15:54 Fred? yup -you see it on radar? we are in the middle of their school

VG **16:13-16:43 DOLPHINS diving in and out of the water
(motor in bg)

16:53 Fred? -we will start seeing -even as they swim along with us you will some normal behavior. We have seen mating behavior, you see the little ones stay right with their moms.

17:12-18:14 dolphins in water -(talking in bg) -some high pitch sounds

18:16 -you can frequently see mating too when they are traveling like this -in fact right there -... generally the female comes up underneath and ah -

18:31 dolphins in water

18:48 Fred -these are -I am pretty sure these are the long beak variety. It is pretty hard to tell that difference

Ed? -actually there is a behavioral difference -the long beaks won't ride the bow. They will come for a little bit and then -so these are probably delpha's I would say

Fred? -is that right?

19:02 -Hoho! That was nice!

Ed ? -there is a beak behavioral ID fret and thats -the long beaks will come and ride a while -

Fred -that is one that I have never heard -I am always looking at the eye patch there -that little piece of black around the eye -

?? -look at these guys -they are chasing fish right here -see the birds right ahead of them?

?? They got a big school of fish right here? See them chasing them? We got pelicans diving and everything -see?

21:06 ?? yea -they are definitely on a school of fish

**G 22 :39 dolphins diving in and out of water, some high pitch squeaks can be heard

23:17 -motor turned down, dolphins

*VG 23:46-26:01 squeak of dolphins

25:10 -good squeak

26:31 Ed -really what is interesting, that little group that we were just coming with there -they were bumping each other (motor very loud in the bg) and they were rubbing up against -it is amazing. As we have spent time -this is a unique opportunity to actually spend a little time with them, moving at their speed, you get to see them interact. They are very gregarious, very social animals. But you notice the scratches on their back -they really bite, scratch each other, and they like to wrestle -get ready for a little spray while we speed up here

27:59 -?? oh -that's just too good!

28:08 -31:11 splashing by dolphins, faint squeaking, and low grumbling (very hard to hear)

29:06 29:08 dolphin squeaking

29:09 -?? I think we should all dive in

29:53 -30:34 squeaking

31:11 -end of dolphins

32:06 ship captain? -Hey, watch that stuff, don't let it get wet when we hit those waves

32:26 -motor -trying to catch up to dolphins

33:09 -dolphins

33:50 AC -(off mike, with motor in bg) that is just amazing -I saw one of them leap so far out of the water -it just -

Ed ? -I hope we are lucky enough to see the northern right whale dolphins bc they are really acrobatic

continuing to go fast through the water -motor ambi

** VG 35:15-36:22 dolphins -good squeaking -one blow from hole for air -

37:03 AC -how common is it to see this many dolphins around here?

37:07 Fred (?) -well they -this particular dolphin, the common dolphin are year round residence here. Occasionally we see large schools like this. It is not uncommon. Occasionally we will several thousand in a group which is really remarkable. We see them almost every crossing that we see common dolphins.

AC -What are they doing with the other things that live here?

37:32 Fred -Well, that is kind of my particular interest. I love to see the interest between different mammals. You often will see these guys interacting with sea lions -California sea lions -they are traveling together. Sea lions would be porpoising along with the dolphins. And you are talking that just a few days ago I saw northern right whale dolphins and pacific white side dolphins all mixed in with a group of common dolphins. That is kind of an unusual thing -a nice thing to see that as well. Once in a while you get to see dolphins riding the nose of a blue whale. Blue whale moves pretty fast. They move about 20 knots. And that seems to be an interesting thing where both animals have kind of changed their behaviors a little bit in order to play together. And I always like to see that.

38:22 AC -but a dolphin -these are maybe 8, 10 feet long, and a blue whale could be almost 100 feet.

Fred -yup -and they will get up and ride the nose of the whale just like they ride the bow of the boat. is kind of interesting.

38:49 -AC -tell me where we are?

Fred -well, we have just entered the Santa Barbara -the Natl Marine Sanct. SB channel. We are just about 6 miles off of Santa Cruz island and we have come upon a pod of about oh -4 or 5 hundred common dolphins probably. It is a line of dolphins that stretches for about a mile or so, and seem to be traveling together. Kind of nice mix group of dolphins. It looks like they have some older animals and some puppies -if you noticed there are a lot of smaller animals mixed in with them 39:24

AC -but this is -these are sanctuary waters here -

Fred -we just now in the channel islands nms.

AC -do you see any difference here in the sanctuary water and the non-sanctuary water?

39:38 Fred -well, we talk about the yellow line that goes around -you know, realistically, the entire santa barabara channel is pretty much regarded as sanctuary waters. officially and legally the sanctuary extends 6 miles around the islands. But it is all one system, it is a unique body of water here.

AC -what is it that makes it unique?

Fred -well, a couple of things. I think one thing is that the coastline here is oriented east and west, you know most of California -if you stand on the beach and look to sea you are looking towards China. But here if you are standing at the beach at santa barbara and you look out to sea you are looking straight at the south pole. That creates a very interesting convergence of currents. The normal current is the Alaska current, it comes from the northwest, and it is met right here in the in sb channel in the west end by the Davidson current, also called the California counter current. That comes up in those 2 bodies of water -meld right there. It is a transition zone. Those transition zones are usually very interesting biologically because you get a lot of upwelling that occurs -all the nutrient rich water is brought to the surface where the sun acts on it and you get phytoplankton blooming and then the krill. The krill is what blooming now. It is what is bringing all these whales in. 41:06

41:30-42:54 boat motor, waves,

42:55 radio; they are coming up! Looking good! and a lot of bird action!

43:10 AC -god look at them! There they go! Whew!

43:45 Ed -I am Ed Cassano, manager of the Channel Islands NMS-right now we are off the west end of Santa Cruz island, we are in the Channel Island NMS, and we just turned out swell, and we are surrounded by common dolphins...and it is rather appropriate for you to be introduced to the sanctuary by these ambassadors. They are some of our more playful and dynamic animals 44:16

AC -does it surprise you to run into the school right out here?

Ed -no, no -we see common dolphins all the time. We see large groups of them. As you can see quite a few numbers -a several of hundred. We see schools as many as thousand to 2 thousand animals. It doesn't surprise me but it always still exciting.

44:36 AC -it still is exciting? You have been doing this for a long time, haven't you?

Ed -I have been looking at marine animals for almost 20 yrs now. You can never see enough bc I always think you see something different, something new. And I always think it is special bc they came to us. You notice that we were just moving the boat when we first saw them, there was a group of about 12 that were coming towards us at a high rate of speed. They like to come to the boat and play. And as you watch them you can see some normal behavior. there is a group of 6 or 12 right there

AC -you hear them just a little bit when you splash up onto the water

45:12 -Ed -yeah, some of them are bow riding -you know they are getting in front of the boat and using the pressure wave, and some of them are just following us here, and you can see some of them will just rollover. You can definitely hear them breathing. They will have to -you will wonder -how are they getting a breath,
but as you watch them you can hear them as they come out of the water they take a deep breath and they go back -like there (45:06 you can here some dolphins in bg) and common dolphins can be pretty exciting in terms of aerials. They have a tendency to come out of the water a lot. They have a lot of fun that way. But the channel islands nms (motor get louder in bg) has over 27 different species of cetaceans in it that we have seen. So this is one of any but certainly probably the largest populations of any single one -

45:52 dolphins breathing -corning in and out of water (with boat motor in bg)

**45:16 good breath

*47:07 -dolphin squeak

47:31 -Ed -they are mating right there -see them?

AC -they are mating? Those dolphins? They are running along -

Ed -see see see that is mating right there -see, she is underneath?

AC -but they are swimming a long there -they are going fairly fast!

Ed -they are going very fast -that is what is very exciting -as you spend more time with them you start to see some normal behavior, so you are not in a sense disturbing them. They are doing normal things while they are playing with you. That what you just saw there is there was either the male or the female rolling over on her back. And the other dolphin swimming on her back. And yes, you are right they were -you know, having mating behavior at about 5 or 6 knots actually. So, I think one of the things that amazes me is that they bump and they nip at each others fins -they are very -they can be aggressive to each other and very physical and that is always impressive to me.

48:26 AC -just tell me what this island is over here -we are moving past -this is a quite large island, very lengthy, miles and miles long and as we look at it there is not a lot of vegetation up there. The hills are brown, there is just low grasses on them, occasional shrubbery higher up on the hills. You get down to the edge of the islands and there is a very abrupt cliff that falls off there to a distance to maybe a hundred feet or so.

Ed -actually the cliffs are probably higher than that -on the order of 200 hundred -200 hundred to 3 hundred feet. This is the west end of santa cruz island. Santa
cruz island is the largest island in the channel islands. There are 8 channel islands (motor in bg) and one of the powerful things about this area is with the marine sanctuary -at the heart of the marine sanctuary is the channel islands natl park as well as the nature conservancy which manages, operates and owns this part of
s.c island. We are looking at a very steep cliff face. This is volcanic on this side of the island. And this cliff base is home to nesting sea birds: cormorants, oystercatchers, zantis, murrelets, ashy storm petrels -a variety of animals -we even have peregrine falcons in here. So this is a very dynamic sea face -this is with a predominant swell -as you have noticed today we have had a swell out of the west, and we had a good 5 to 6 foot swell. You can see tremendous forces of the sea \punctuate -if you look over at the cliff you will see lots of scaring and actual caves, there are more caves .I in this section than anywhere else in this area. Some of these caves go back 1000 feet into the side of the hill. But again, this area -managed by the nature conservancy where the waters around it are managed by the NMS, NOAA and overlapping jurisdiction with the natural parks service at about one mile. -this is the dry season, that is why the island is very brown 50:49 flying fish! OK. We just had a flying fish fly right in front -of the bow there. He went a good 60 feet there (AC - yeah.). these dolphins actually may be trying to catch I those. What we are starting to see -this is of course an el nino year, and one of the dynamics things about this that normally it is at the mtg point btwn the cold and warm waters. It the cold, northern
California current and the warm California counter current that comes in from the north. So right here at this point of s.c. island is where we have the transition zone. But bc of el Niño, the whole region -the southern California ?? is warmer. You see things like flying fish. 52:12

boat motor 52:12 - 52:25

Ed -these are all caves here -just a little too rough to explore with a kayak, but you can if the weather is calm, explore this coastline by kayak. But is as you can see an area that changes rapidly in terms of this wind can come up fairly quickly. When those waves slap against those cliff side and bounce back it can be a very dangerous place.

53:03 AC -there is no place here to haul out -these cliffs just go straight down -there is no beach that I can see -we are maybe a - of a mile

Ed -that is absolutely right. As you can see -or you will see tonight when we come around the eastern end of the island we will be in a totally different area -there will be sandy beaches it won't have these steep volcanic cliffs. You will have the more wave cut terraces- yeah there is no place to climb out here. It is a quite unforgiving kind of shoreline, but quite spectacular. If you see the white on the cliff out there it is where we probably cormorants nesting-54:04

54:21 AC -is that cave in there Ed?

Ed -yes it is

AC -I see a kind of hollowing out on the cliff it seems to go back -

Ed -I think you are right -you are seeing a cave and if you look farther there is even a deeper passage there-I don't know the name of that particular one. There are literally hundreds of them. Yes, that is definitely one that goes father back. Actually, we are coming close to painted cave which is the largest cave -a lot of people say it is the largest sea cave in the world. It goes back 1200 feet with a water depth of about 100 feet. The ceiling height on the cave is 100 feet/150 feet -it is very large. People take large boats in there -lucky in a sense it has no nesting seabirds, so there is no worry about disturbing sea birds. It is a rather impressive formation -lets see if we can go in there.

PAINTED CAVE
56:23 Fred -we are approaching the painted cave. This has been called the world's largest sea cave. There is a seagull chick right up here on the cliff. The cutest little guy. He is just a little chick. We will find him on the way out. This is the world's largest sea cave. It extends back about 1250 feet back in under s.c. island. It is called the painted cave -it doesn't have any Indian paintings in it - at least none that has lasted. But it gets its name from the colors. As you can see all the varying colors that are on the walls here. There is a lot of fresh water that seeps down from the ceiling and the overhead -it carries w/it a lot of minerals that get deposited on the ceilings and walls

AC-how far back there does this thing go?

Fred -it goes 1250 feet.

57:32 AC -if you go back this -the opening there is maybe 60/50 feet and then it seems to narrow down and get lower

Ed -it gets smaller and smaller. As we go into -further into the cave you will be able to see the different chambers.

AC -we are taking this boat in there?

Fred -yeah. I can even take the condor in there. Yeah we go all the way in and later on we will be kayaking in there.

AC -in there?

Fred -you bet

AC -that is not a very big hole.

Laughter

58:08 Fred -yeah -later on we will be kayaking in there. We will take you in there and let's get a real good experience of what it is like to get in back there...it is quite a place. On a day like today you can safely go all the way back into the back chamber, the last one back there. You do have to be sure to go in straight, you have to be sure that that the boat goes in on a straight line bc that is the last thing you want is to get stuck in there.

59:03 AC -the water here is so clear.

Fred -very clear. And when we get into the cave we will see how clear it is. It is actually about 40 feet deep in the first chamber here. (talking in bg) these interesting plants that are up on the wall here, the ones that look like flowers it is dudlia -it is called island live for ever. They are really quite attractive. They are pretty plants -and there is some seagull chicks here-(talk about the chicks)

Ed -I think we are going to take the bayana inside here -we had to do a little quick adjustment.

AC -I am amazed that you are going to take this -I mean this is a big cave opening -but this is a big boat!

Ed -it is a big boat -it looks small from this perspective -but once you get in there it is pretty nice.

Fred -you can see now how the chambers -there is one chamber after another right up here on the ceiling -these pigeons by the way are pigeon guillemots that are flying by -up on the overhead -see the swallow flying by -barn swallow -that is their nest up there -look at that huge swallow's nest -gigantic -a big swallows condo.

1:00:27 boat noise going into the cave

1:00:37 -you can see how this goes in, in chambers. It gets progressively smaller -there is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, chambers that are visible from here.

AC -We are actually in the cave

1:00:52 Fred -we are just in the mouth now and getting ready to get into the first chamber. In the winter there is a beautiful waterfall that comes right after the
rains, the comes right down here into mouth of the cave. It is a little veil, a veil waterfall that comes down. It is very dramatic. And after a good rain it will fall for a month or so.

1:01:19 AC -so we are just entering this chamber here. I guess the ceiling is maybe

Ed -I don't know, what do you think? 70 feet, 80 feet maybe. I guess even taller than that maybe.

1:01:36 AC -and it runs along and then it kind of comes down a little bit and then it opens up again -we are heading into the second chamber

Fred -when I first came out here one of the first things I did was to climb out to this little ledge that is out here bc I thought sure there must be some kind of paintings or diagrams or something up there. It just looks to me like a place that the Indians would have had some reverence for bc it is so much like a cathedral in here

1:02:13 Ed -you can see the pigeon guillemots in here

Fred -yeah. You can here them

1:02:30 -going into cave -talking in bg, pigeons in bg

1: 03 :12 Fred -there is a pigeon - guillemots are such interesting birds, with those bright orange feet -they just look like their feet are much bigger than they ought to be. When they land they flair them out like great big stop signs.
1:03:31 ambi inside cave

1:03:39 Fred -doesn't that look like the place that the Indians would have gotten to -I didn't see any evidence of that when I was up there -but you can see how the cave goes back into that last chamber there. You can see the wall in the back. From there it goes off to the right and goes another 50 or 75 feet -this way and the sea lions lay on the ledges and bark at you as you go in -in total darkness. We need to carry lights with us when we go back there

1:04:17 boat moving through cave

1:04:29 Ed -it is pretty nice today, maybe we can do a quick paddle

1:05:09 ambi -boat moving inside cave -talking -NG, - Michael preparing the recording gear -getting into the kayaks

1:12:23 -Ed -Fred?

1:12:56 Ed -paddle? (to Michael)

1:13:09 Fred (?) -ok! Just keep loose hips. I am sure Scott already told you that. Keep your hips loose _

1:13:46 -boat pulling out of cave

1:13:53 Fred -this is one of the truly neat places in the world. I have never seen the blue grotto on the isle of capri but a lot of my tourists that have been with me
on the boat have told me that they have been to the blue grotto and this is much more exciting than the blue grotto -(boat moving out, instruction on kayaking in bg)

1:14:41 Fred -and if we do get to a surge -if we do a counter -surge back there which we probably will, just realize that where ever it takes you to it will bring you back also, so there is no need to try to fight it, it just moves you around.

1:15:01 -talking in bg, boat moving out -birds

Fred -I will tell you why I always wear helmets and life jackets after we get back on the boat

1:16:54 ambi from opening of cave - boat can be heard in bg) waves hitting sides of rocks 1:17:47 -boat louder in bg

1:18:28 -boat gone (but still can be heard in bg)

1:20:20 Fred -well, we are in the first chamber of the painted cave -I love the silence of the kayaks. You can hear the sounds of the cave and it is almost like the cave is breathing as the surge comes in and out. The birds that you hear are the pigeon guillemots. You can see them right here. Small beautiful birds with great big
orange feet. They are constantly talking to us when we are in here. One of the things that is very noticeable about this cave is that there is so much fresh water that dribbles down from the ceiling and the walls. You can see how much water is in here. It is this water that gives this cave its name. A lot of minerals get dissolved in this fresh water and they are carried down here and then deposited on the ceilings and walls of the cave, and that is where we get these beautiful and very gated (?) colors that we have here. It is how the cave gets it's name. You can begin to hear some surge from back inside the cave. The surge is beginning to build up - a little bit now

** 1:21:39-1:21:47 good bird

1:21:48 Fred -it reminds me a little bit of river rafting -when you go river rafting, and you are going down the river and you can hear the rapids up ahead of you. They start to get louder and louder as you get closer. That is kind of what it is like as you get further back into the cave. 1:22:03

*1:22:04-1:22:47 good ambi inside cave, surge in bg, waves, birds, paddling

1:22:48 Fred -this cave was probably formed as a result of a lava tube. This whole end of the island is volcanic in origin and if you look carefully up on the top there is also a fault line that runs right through there. Probably this was all rubble and little rocks build up in here. When it ruptured on that fault line right there. And the action of the sea over a few thousand years has expanded it out to make it the big cave that it is. This cave expands 1250 feet back in underneath the island. You can see now as we are back into about the 4th chamber here, that the ceiling is down lower and lower. As we go into the next chamber -this is the last chamber that we are entering, approaching now, it will get This completely dark as we get in there. is one of the darkest places I have ever seen. It is very dark when we get in here.

*G 1:23 :56-good inside chamber ambi, paddling

**VG 1:24:24 sea lions barking! Inside cave with some
echo

1:24:32 Fred -the sea lions lay on the back ledges here

G 1:24:35-1:28:33 more barking (a little talk from AC)
good inside chamber ambi

**VG 1: 25: 19 good barking - 1:25:35

*1:25:58 -one bark

1:28:33 -AC -Fred? (in bg)

Fred -yeah? SEALS IN BG

AC -How far back?

Fred -how is that?

AC -how far back in there can you go?

1:28:42 Fred -well [LOUD SEA LIONS] if it is very calm you can get behind that rock there where those sea lions are barking at us, a little much too much surge to go back there -but we are pretty much at the end here. This is pretty much the end of it here -the above water portion. Now there are underwater caves that extend in here and they labyrinth in through here with some of the other caves in the area. 1:29:20 it is always interesting to me that the sea lions (some barking) choose to be back here in this total darkness. I mean it is so dark here -to try to describe to your listeners the darkness. You notice the cave just kind of sucks up the light. You shine a light somewhere and it just goes away. It is as dark a place as I have ever seen. And yet the sea lions will come back here and aggregate on these ledges, and at certain times of the year, especially when there is mating going on (bark!) there may be 30 or 40 animals back here. The ledges are just -[barking!]

***VG 1:30:07 -good barking!

*G 1:30:29-1:32:31 big surge -good ambi -wind,

*G 1:31:17 barking

1:32:32 Fred -as you can tell, the surge is beginning to build pretty good -I think it is a good idea if we head out-the surge is starting build and I think it is a good idea if we go Alex -1:33:07 we are starting to get a little surge build up here

1:33:15 Fred -pretty neat spot

1:33:55 talk in the cave -off mike -surge rising - Rick trying to set up photo shoot -great seals! But talking over seals

1:36:52 good seals with no talking

SOME GOOD AMBI - BUT SHORT BURSTS OF TALKING

1:39:10 -ambi inside chamber -paddling out -some talking in bg

** G 1:39:39-1:41:28 no talking, better ambi

G 1:41:47-1:43:13 ambi going out of the cave from the opening

1:43:14 -Fred -yeah, that is one of the neatest places .. that might have been a peregrine falcon, they feed on the pigeons (Michael: oh, they eat those cute little
birds?) yeah, they love them.

1:43:51 good ambi -outside of the cave, paddling

G 1:46:18 -1:46:27

1:47:02 -1:47:06 good birds

1:47:17 Fred -that little chirping that you hear back behind us there are the swallows

1:48:40 -CJ paddling by -doesn't work, bc boat in bg - birds in bg -people talking in bg too

1:51:10 -paddling by Michael's kayak -but boat in bg

1:51:36

1:52:17-1:52:30 ambi, but boat motor in bg Fred talks about climbing the cave side w/o ropes

1:53:52 -Alex? paddling by -can't hear him

1:54:16 -paddling (w/boat engine in bg)

1:55:14 boat engine is louder (closer by)

1:55:43-1:56:24 ambi -boat engines moves in as does the surge

1:57:31 -paddling ED -did you see the big bull in there

1:59:31 Fred -yeah a couple of them -the guy that was making the sound was a pretty big bull - 500 pounds or so

2:00:12

2:01:45 -ambi -(faint motor in bg) inside cave? Waves

2:03:23 2:003:37-paddling, waiting for

2:05:55 END OF DAT

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