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NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
20 Sep 1997

  • United States
    Santa Cruz County
  • Santa Cruz boardwalk
  • 36.96417   -122.02
  • Stereo
    Sampling Rate
  • 48kHz
    Bit Depth
  • 16-bit
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  • Stereo=1; Decoded MS stereo

September 20, 1997

Boardwalk in Santa Cruz -day of the Surf Circle

00:08 -walking along boardwalk -footsteps and some chatter -buses passing -a few different languages

2:17 bus passes

4:43 car drives

4:43 entering a restaurant (?) -or ambi on boardwalk gets louder

5:41 -AC -hey Jack!

Jack -we had a good show ....

Small talk with Jack about his boat and the crowd (a lot of people here -and it is real early!)

6: 16 in bg ambi: "cool!" (with the S.C. accent)

?? -supposedly there is more hair on a sea otter in a square inch than there is on am any cat

AC -really? ??

-it is the thickest hair on a pelt of any animal -that is why the Russians went out and grabbed them all...

AC -where are you from?

7:37 "treasure hunt starts here! 7 weeks in Tahiti first prize!" ... O'Neil takes you to Tahiti!"

more ambi on the boardwalk -lots of talking some music in bg

Jack introduces someone to AC

??"Right now we have a barnacle larva on the screen. This is enlarged quite a bit. The actual size is ..... we find these quite often in the bay here .... (about their reproduction, approx. to how long they live)

his name is Keith DeLong, he is a biology instructor on a boat -the boat brings kids from the Santa Cruz area, up to 40 kids .. .learn about sailing, navigation, ecology _ about how to protect the ocean .... marine biology station

12:41 -Disorderly Conduct, a band from the East Bay

music (steel drum etc.) and talking in bg

16:58 -Schweppe slate: band is a teenage steel drum band

17:09 -band member talking about the umbrella keeping sun off them

19:20 AC talking to some of the people on the boardwalk _

19:21 I'm Steve Merrill from Surfers Environmental Alliance ....

19:40 AC -what has the sanctuary meant to you here?

19:42 Steve -well we were involved in it when it was still a conceptual idea ... we were lobby very strong to make it the largest size possible ... (a lot of talking in the bg) for me it is really meaningful that we got what we wanted for a change

20: 17 AC -when you described this sanctuary you must have had this kind of experience talking to your friends -you are talking about the sanctuary and they what the heck is that -what do you tell them?

20:32 Steve -it is hard to say bc it means so many things .... .it has a use from so many different directions .... to me a sanctuary is a place that actually gets left alone 21:05 _ but of course we can't do that here bc we have an urban base around it -ideally a sanctuary is a place that gets left alone where nature runs its course wlo interference from man -while still maintaining the multi-use functions that have still always been here.

AC -how do you think it is working?

Steve -ok. There is a lot of room for improvement -it definitely needs lots more funding from the federal government -like when they set up the Mohave Desert national Park and the govt gave them a dollar to administrate it. Sanctuaries are great but w/o any funding they really aren't able to do much. So I would like to see more money and I'd like to see a way to get things happening a bit quicker.. . (music up again)

23 :05 -AC -you would like to see more federal support, more involvement -there are other people who say you know it is big brother coming in here and telling me what to do and issuing a bunch of regulations and we don't need that _ ....

24: 11 more walking along boardwalk

-cjc talking about tent set up for el nino.

El nino ......woman (Ann ?) talking about El Nino and threats, etc .... music in bg (hard to use) through 28:38

28:40 -more ambi from boardwalk.

30:32 -Schweppe sitting in front row where band is performing (not the steel band _ another one) -actually it is music on speakers as they prepare for next band to start

"REAL SURF MUSIC" -the Parafins

32:59 -"all right Santa Cruz lets party!" -"Let's party surfers!" NOT A GOOD RECORDING -33:41 -gets a bit better

music (with talking in bg and clapping after each song) through 35: 11

35: 14 "Thank you very much Santa Cruz! We got no waves today, but we will make it happen! Too bad it wasn't bumping over at the landing (?) indicators right about now -that would be alright! Jump off the wharf and go paddle out! 35:27 This next song is called Mr. Moto."

35:30 more music ..... through 37:30

37:34 (band member) "This next tune we'd like to play for you is named after a surf spot down in Baja, California called K-39 ...."

41 :29 -(singer in band) all right we'd like to sing you one -this next one is called California sun! (song about CA girls)

44:00 the music group starts playing "Surfing USA" (Beach Boy's song) 45:46 (applause)

46:02 -song from Hawaii (Diamond Head) -46:24

46:26 -walking away from music .... 8eI'\Cit

47:05 Jeff Benoit, the director of office of Ocean and Coastal Resource Mgt., under NOAA -"I have oversight of the NMS program our National Coastal Mgt program and our Natl Estuary and Research Reserves ... 1 am a coastal geologist by training

47:27 -AC -how long have you been sort of in charge of the sanctuary program?

JB -I have been involved with this current position for about 4 years. I joined as part of the Clinton administration.

AC -and at this point how do you think Marine Sanctuaries are going?

47:47 JB -I think they are going terrific. We have really tried to work on focusing more attention on them being a real system and that each sanctuary is very different. It has different, it has different sets of resources, different attributes, but when you start putting them together they really represent national treasures. And we are trying to focus a lot more of our attention and the public's attention, awareness that these do represent a whole collection of various resources that together make up a complete system for our national treasures (woman talking behind this last word).

48: 18 AC -it is hard for people to maybe understand exactly what sanctuaries are supposed to be and I ask people wherever I go -what is a marine sanctuary and I wonder what your answer to that question is.

48:36 JB -Well anyone sanctuary is an area that we have determined as in essence a national treasure, it represents something very unique worth protecting, worth managing, so other people can have it for future generations and can have it and be part of it. And in many cases they are marine resources, living resources, and in some cases they are cultural resources. One of the first sanctuaries designated was the USS Monitor from the Civil War. You know they represent very unique collections of various kinds of resources that are important to us as a nation (NG bc talking at end of this sentence). 49:14

49: 18 AC -when you think about managing the different sanctuaries I think of how for instance, Yellowstone, the sanctuaries are 25 years old, Yellowstone is a hundred and twenty five years old. It changed in the course of 125 yrs. You know, originally you could go hunting in Yellowstone -you can't do that anymore -and we all now realize that is a good thing -what are the kinds of things now in sanctuaries that are
like that?

49:47 JB -any kind of an area that you manage has to be able to evolve with changing circumstances so that you manage -it has to be able to evolve with changing circumstances. The quality of the resources, the threats to those resources, the use of the area, the number of people that come to visit and use the areas -you have to be able to adjust the management (a lot of bg noise -people talking now) you have to be able to adjust your management tools to account for that either opening up new areas for people to be able to get in and utilize or to further protect the fragile resources. And when I say protect sometimes they are from things like from pollution, it is from overharvesting, overuse, and we have to be able to adjust the way that we manage these sites accordingly. They do represent areas that are not locked off for people to come into, they are meant for people to get into the sanctuary to be able to see and sometime cases use the sanctuary resources but it has to be done in an appropriate way so that those resources -some of which are very very fragile are going to be there for the future generations.

50:49 AC -we are on our way down to Florida and that is an area where there is a lot of controversy over how much regulation is good and how much is not good -what do you say to people there that say yeah -but you are saying I have to shut down my backyard septic system but my family has been here for a hundred years and we are a part of this area too and how you dare you come in here and do that.

51:20 JB -well what is interesting in any place that we have controversy around the protection of the resources its not a question of should it be protected -I think most people very strongly that these are national treasures and the resources that many people make their livelihood off them need to be protected and the question really comes down to many times -how do you protect them most appropriately. And what we have seen in most areas where the controversy has been most prominent people didn't really understand what we were proposing to do. And we have had to spend a lot of time really carefully educating the people and explaining to them what the mgt of that area would be and ultimately when you look at any of our sites like the Florida keys or Monterey, Olympic Coast -wherever you go, the ability of people to get in and use those resources is pretty extensive and we just try and balance that with making sure that if there are very sensitive areas or resources that we do want to keep people away, or change their practices (LOTS OF BG TALKING) such as coral reefs -very very sensitive, even to people touching them so we ask people not to touch them and we find that rather than having police out on the water writing tickets to people -what we do is we hand them educational brochures and we explain to them that the very resources that you are here to look at -coral reefs for instance are very sensitive being touched and by doing that you are actually destroying them for yourself and for others to enjoy. And the people say we don't want to do that! And they will look at the brochure and they will say we didn't realize that and then they will do the right thing and stay away from the reef, they will look at it but they won't touch it. So we have found that education is a very very important tool for us to make people more aware ... 53: 11

AC -a mgt issue for you .... We know what parks are and we know what wilderness areas are and we are used to thinking about those kinds of things -we accept them _ we understand them -extending that idea (NG bc loud voice behind him) ... people don't quite -... .. NG./IIII ...... .. (talking about protected LAND area)

53 :55 JB -it is and again, the program itself is relatively young and there does need to be more awareness and understanding of why these marine areas are just as important as the terrestrial areas. In some cases maybe even more economically more important to an area. With the tourism and the people making a living off of fishing and harvesting. In many cases much more important than the land area. And it is a new concept. And you can't go out to a marine sanctuary and literally put a wall or a fence around it as you can a natl park or another land base area. So it is harder for people to really grasp the concept that this open vast area of a bay or an ocean is somehow protected and it just a new concept that is relatively young. But when you talk to people they will understand the need to protect the resources that are there, it is just a very different concept when you apply it to the marine areas vs. the land areas. 54:57

54:58-55: 1 0 ambi from interview.

55: 11 AC -would it be correct to say that you are in charge of the nms program now?

55: 14 JB -I have responsibility for the program, yes.

55:43-58:09 M/S ambi from place of interview -music in bg, kids talking, cars passing by, talking, toys squeaking

* (could use this in the piece)58:19-59:19 back at the stage -music -loud -ok recording -

*(could use this in the piece) 59:20 -applause, another song, called "pipe line" _ begins @ 59:40-1:02:39

*(familiar "surfer music" song -G) Dick Dale song (from Pulp Fiction) 1:03:05-1:06:52 -the PARAFINS (name of the group)

1:07:23 -applause -MC -

1:08:11 Viki Nichols, Exec. Director of Save our Shore 1:08 :21 "Hello everyone! Welcome to the 5th anniversary of the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary AND the annual shark fest. This is a very special year for us bc we have merged our efforts to have a joint celebration and I think this is what the whole concept of what a marine sanctuary is all about -taking the community action that we are all inspired about and really putting it into a celebration that protects our marine environment and I think all of us should be giving all of US a hand bc we created this marine sanctuary -so everyone give a big hand for making this the largest and the best national marine sanctuary in the country. And with that comes some responsibility. And all of you whether or not you know it -every single action that you take -every little cigarette but that you drop or piece of trash that you pick up has an impact on this sanctuary. So as you are conducting your daily life remember it is your sanctuary and you got to take of it. Or maybe I should say -this is our sanctuary and all of us need to take care of it and this is what this celebration is about today. We have some very exciting speakers who are going to be coming up, some of our local representatives, and some who have come all the way from Washington DC to help us celebrate this big event. And the first speaker I like to bring up is our Mayor, Cynthia Matthews. And I do want to say that SC is really the leader in the environmental movt ....

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1:10:30 -nothing on DAT through end of DAT

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