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Hoover Dam  

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Pat Flanagan, Oscar Gonzales, Kip Sturdevan; Tijuana Estuary  

NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
1993

    Geography
  • United States
    Nevada
    Clark County
    Locality
  • Hoover Dam
    Latitude/Longitude
  • 36.01556   -114.73778
    Recording TimeCode
  • :04 - 45:56
    Geography
  • United States
    California
    San Diego County
    Locality
  • Imperial Beach; Tijuana Estuary
    Latitude/Longitude
  • 32.57554   -117.12739
    Recording TimeCode
  • 57:41 - 1:07:52
    Geography
  • United States
    California
    San Diego County
    Locality
  • Imperial Beach
    Latitude/Longitude
  • 32.57833   -117.11722
    Habitats
  • Urban
    Recording TimeCode
  • 1:37:33 - 2:00:36
    Channels
  • Stereo
    Sampling Rate
  • 48kHz
    Bit Depth
  • 16-bit
    Recorders
    Microphones
    Accessories
    Equipment Note
  • Stereo=1; Stereo; Neumann RSM 190; Neumann KMR 81; B&K 4006 Omni mics

NPR/NGS RADIO EXPEDITIONS
WESTERN WATER
LOG TAPE 2

JR = Julian Rhinehart
PF =Pat Flanagan
OG = Oscar Gonzales
KS = Kip Sturdevan

:01 JR .. HOOVER DAM .. THIS WILL BE THE ROAR OF THE WATER GOING INTO THE SCORLL CASES ... WITH THE TURBINE RUNNERS INSIDE ..

:15 .. INSIDE SOUND BEGINS ?? SOME VOICE IN BACK

:26 START TO HEAR ROAR .. JR STILL TALKING .. ROAR GRADUALLY INTENSIFIES GET .. AROUND
:53 GETS INTENSE

****(THE FOLLOWING STUFF IS SORT OF COOL .. JUST TO GIVE A SENSE OF PLACE .. BUT AMBY MIGHT BE TOO LOUD)

1:06 JR: IF YOU WANT TO ENVISION .. YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE SIDE OF A GIANT CAN .. THE INSIDE OF WHICH HAS A TURBINE RUNNER .. THE NOISE YOU HEAR IS WATER RUSHING THRU THE BLADES OF THE TURBINE RUNNER SPINNING THE SHAFT OF THE GENERATORS ABOVE US AND BEING DISCHARGED INTO THE TAIL RACE IMMEIDIATELY DOWN STREAM OF DAM

GARY ASKS WHAT WOULD HAPEN IF YOU TURNED NOB .HE SAYS I'M NOT GOING TO

LN: IS THERE WATER RIGHT BEHIND THE DOOR ? JR. THERE IS WATER .. BUT IN ADDITION TO NOB THERE IS BOLTS .. NOB USED IN ADDITION TO BOLTS ..

***LN: HOW MUCH WATER IS RUSHING THRU THERE? JR: PROBABLY BETWEEN 2 AND THREE THOUSAND CUBIC FEET PER SECOND .. LN: IN GALLONS JR: ONE CUBIC FOOT PER SECOND IS EQUIVALENT TO SEVEN AND A HALF GALLONS

2:16 TALKING ENDS .. AMBY BEGINS

***3:19 AMBY STARTS TO CHANGE SOMEWHAT .. BY ABOUT 3:25 OR SO CHANGE IS DISTINCT .. SOUND IS INCREDIBLE .. GOOD STEREO EFFECT .. SOUNDS LIKE THE JET OF AN AIRPLANE .. BY ABOUT 4:00 IT SEEMS TO GET QUIETER AGAIN

6:10 DRIPPING WATER SOUND WITH ROAR IN BACKGROUND

7:01 .. LEO AND GARY INCRIMINATE THEMSELVES AGAIN

9:45 .. WE CATCH A TOUR .. CAN HEAR THE TOUR GUIDE'S SPIEL .. SOME ROAR OF DAM IN BACKGROUND .. GOES ON FOR WHILE .. NOT TERRIBY INTERESTING ... COULD POSSIBLY BE POSTED REAL QUICKLY THEN USED AS AMBY ..

13: 07 .. SPIEL ENDS .. "THIS WAY PLEASE .. WATCH YOUR STEP .. " PRESUMABLY WE JOIN THE FOLKS ON TOUR BUT FOOTSTEPS ARE BARELY AUDIBLE AND NO ONE SEEMS TO BE TALKING MUCH .. EXTREMELY QUIET FOR A CROWD SCENE ..

***15:25 .. BEGIN TO HEAR SOME FOOTSTEPS .. VOICES .. KID OF ECHOEY .. SOME ROAR IN THE BACKGROUND .. 16:45 .. ROAR GETS MORE DISTINCT .. A FEW SECONDS LATER .. GUY BEGINS SPIEL AGAIN ...

23:35 (WE TALK ABOUT WHERE WE WERE ... INSIDE A PIPE THAT WAS USED TO DIVERT WATER SO DAM COULD BE BUILT .. WE WERE LOOKING AT A PIPE WITHIN THAT PIPE .. THE PIPE WITHIN THAT PIPE FILLED WITH WATER EN ROUTE TO POWER PLANT)

24:14 LEO DECLARES THE ENTIRE EXPERIENCE TO BE "FAHHSCINATING" ..

25:00 AMBI OF A TOUR IN THE BACKGROUND ..

27:25 GARY AND LEO CONTEMPLATE SEX IN THE DAM ..

28:55 QUIET AMBI .. NEAR ELEVATOR? SOME VOICES IN BACKGROUND ..

**29:16 GUARD: "DOWN THIS WAY PLEASE .. JOIN OTHER GROUP ETC" .. VOICES, FOOTSTEPS ..

30:32 .. WE ENTER THE EERIE CHAMBER .. JR: IF YOU LOOK UP FACE OF DAM THERE ARE FOUR VENTS .. THIS IS ONE OF THE VENTS
.. YOU CAN LOOK OUT IF YOU WISH ..

31:00 FOOTSTEPS

31:35 .. WE REACH END .. WE ARE ALL AMAZED .. JR DESCRIBES WHERE WE ARE: WE ARE IN ONEOF THE INSPECTION GALLERIES .. AS WE GO DOWN CORRIDOR YO WILL SEE INSCRIOTIONS ON WALL .. ENGINEERING GRAFFITTI .. THEY DEVELOPEDA NEW CONCRETER CURING PROCESS HERE .. WANTED TO SEE HOW IT WORKED SO THEY CAME BACK SEVERAL YEAR LATER AND THEY MEASURED CRACKS ON WALL .. CHECKED THE CRACKS A YEAR TO MEASURE HOW EFFECTIVE NEW CURING PROCESS IS

33:34 AMBY FOOTSTEPS

35:00 DRIPPING SOUND

37:26 MORE DRIPPING WATER .. CLOSER INTO SOUND

***38:54 JR: THIS IS THE POINT AT WHICH THE DAM JOINS THE CANYON WALL .. THE ABUTTMENT THE MEETING POINT BETWEEN THE DAM AND THE WALL ( GARY AND LEO ASK HIM TO REPEAT SELF ...ALTHO IT SOUNDS OKAY I THINK) .. WE ARE STANIND NOW ATTHE ABUTTMENT DRAINS ON THE NEVADA SIDE OF HOOVER DAM . THISIS THE POINT AT WHICH THE DAM MEETS THE ABUTMENT WLAL AND IN THIS AREA DRAINS HAVE BEEN SET UP TO COLLECT THE WATER THAT IS RELEASED THRU HYRDRO STATIC PRESSURE .. RIGHT NOW ITS AT LOW POINT . ENGINEERS MARVEL AT SMALL AMOUNT OF WATER RELEASED SHOWING THE INTEGRITY OF THE DAM ..

LN:WAY BELOW SOUND OF WATER??

JR:YES .. ITS WAER EBING GATHERED BY ENTIRE ABUTMENT DRAIN ..

LN: FAIR AMOUNTOF WATER?

JR: YES, BUT NOT IN COMPARISON TO OTHER DAMS OF THIS SIZE.

41:52 AMBY OF WATER ROLLING DOWN ABUTMENT DRAIN .. SOUND OF WATER BELOW IN BACKGROUND ... ***

43:29 .. (OUTSIDE) JR: THIS IS A VIEW OF THE STILLING BASIN AND SPILLWAY TUNNEL ON THE NEVADA SIDE ... EXAPLAINS WHAT ITS FOR .... COULD HANDLE 200 THOUSAND CUBIC FEET PER SECOND .. 1983 FIRST HIGHWAER SITUATION, MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF WATER WASBETWEEN 14 AND 15 THOUSAND CFS .. IN OTHER WORDS LESS THAN 10 PERCENT OF THE CAPACITY OF THE TUNNEL .. THE FIRST TIME WE WERE FORCED TO SUED TUNNEL. 1941 .. FORCED USAGE FOR TEST PURPOSES.

********END OF HOOVER DAM ********

46:02 LEO WALKING IN DESERT

46:29 .. DESERT AMBY ..VERY, VERY QUIET

46:46 SOME CRICKET SOUND, LIGHT DOG BARKING ... 47:24 CAR SOUND .. 47:49 DOG BARKING ..VERY LIGHT HIGH PITCHED SOUND (COYOTE?) CAN BE HEARD IN BACKGROUND .. 48:56 CAR SOUNDS ..

50:25 AIRPLANE, DOG BARKING .. PLANE SOUND GRADUALLY GETS MORE DISTINCT ...

53:00 AMBY ... OASIS AT NIGHT .. CRICKETS, A LITTLE BIRD SOUND .. (BETTER THAN DESERT)

55:12 COOL BIRD SCREECH,SOME CAR SOUND IN BACK .. CRICKETS .. SOME WATER?

***********START OF TIAJUANA RIVER ESTUARY ***********

PAT FLANAGAN .. EDUCATION COORDINATOR OF TIAJUANA NATIONAL ESTUARINE RESEARCH RESERVE ..

**N.B. FOLLOWING INTERVIEW WAS RECORDED IN WIND BUT YOU CAN'T HEAR IT AT ALL IT SOUNDS VERY GOOD .. THO HELICOPTER INTERRUPTS OCCASSIONALLY

57:46 L.N. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? PF: WE'RE LOOKING AT SOUTHERN END OF RESERVE THE HIGHEST ELEVATIONS IN THE ESTUARY .. AND YOU CAN SEE THE RIVER WHERE ITMEETS THE SEA .. ABOUT A MILE FROM THERE .. U CN SEE TABLE END .. LN: EXPLAIN WHAT AHPPENS WHERE RIVER AND SEA MEET? PF: WHAT YOU HAVE IS FRESH WATER MEETING SEA WATER ..WHEN RIVER IS RUNNING IT WILL BE IN A BRACKISH CONDITION WHERE THEY ARE BLENDING TOGETHER .. NORMAL CONDITION WOULD BE DRY RIVER BED .. YO WOLDHAVE SEA WATER COMING TWO TOTHREE MILES UP THE RIVER AT HIGH TIDE SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS A BRACKISH WATER CONDITION .. AND THAT COCERNS US .. ITS A SYSTEM THAT EVOVLED ON SALTWATER
.. SO WHEN YOU GET A NON SALTWATER CONDITION Y OU GET SPECIES DYING OUT .. WE HAVE LOT 50 PERCENT OF FISH SPECIES .. LN: DOES FRESHWATER GO RIGHT OUT INTO OCEAN? PF: AT EDGE YOU HAVE CHURNING WHERE WAVES COME IN SO THERE IS A BLENDIN .. BUT IN QUIET SITUATION .. FRESH WATER RIDES OVER SEA WATER .. WE ARE NOT CLASSIC .. AT ANY TIME WE HAVE BLENDING ... WEDGEOF FRESH OVER SLAT ETC. LN: BUT UTINALTEY DOES FRESHWATER POLLUTE THE SEA? PF: IT DOESN'T POLLUTE THE SEA IT POLLUTES THE ESTUARY .. WHAT'S IN THE FRESH WATER ADDS POLUTANTS TOTHE SEA AND THEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE CARRIED BY THE WATERINTOTHE SEA .. BUTHTE FRESH WATER ITSLEF IS A FORM OF POLLUTION. THEN WE HAVE HEAVY METALS, TOXICS ETC. THAT ANOTHER FORM OF POLLUTION ..

1:02 30 LN: SUMMARIZE FOR US .. HOW FRESH AND SALTWATER INTERACT? PF: IT IS LIKE TWO CHEMISTIRES GETTING TOGETHER AND THEY CREATE AN ENTIRELY SEPERATE ENVIRONMENT ... THE EXACTMARRYING WILL DEPEND ON WHAT YOU HAVE LIVING THERE ..

LN: HOW DOES COLORADO RIVER WATER GET INTO THE ESTUARY?

1:03:32 PF THE COLORADO RIVER WATER GETS INTO OUR ESTUARY FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SOURCES .. THE TAP IS ONE .. WHEN PEOPLE LET WATER RUN ONTO THEIR LAWNS .. ANYTHING THAT GETS OUTSIDE AND DOESN'T GO INTO YOUR SEWAGE SYSTEM .. (PLANE FLIES OVER )

CAN PICK UP AT 1:05:04 SO .. COLORADO RIVER WATER FIFTY PERCENT OF OUR WATER THAT GOES INTO IMP, BEACH IS COLORADO RIER WATER GOES OUT ALLTHE ORIFICES, DOWN THE DRAINS .. INTOTHE RIVER AND THE SALT MARSH .. MEXICO USES COL. RIVER WATER .. SO WHEN THEY OPEN THEIR PIPES THT WHERE IT GOES. SO ALLTHE WATER USED BY HUMANS IN MEXICO IS COLORADO RIVER WATER .. LN SO YOU ARE SAYING ALL THE COL. RIVER WATER ENDS UP AS WASTE WATER THAT GOES INTOTHE ESTUARY? PF: YEAH .. I NEVER CALL WATER WASTE WATER .. TOO VALUABLE .. AND WHEN IT GOES TO THE EST. IT BECOMES PART OF THE SYTEM .. BUT YEAH IT IS .. LN: IS IT POLLUTED? PF: YEAH IT IS .. AND TO EXTENT THAT PEOPLE WATER LAWNS AND DUMP PESTICIDES AND OIL IN THEIR STORM DRAINS .. ITS ALL BEING PIKCED UP .. T WATER IS JUST A A CARRIER .. SO IT'S A HUGE SOURCE OF CONTAMINATION. JUST THINK OF WATER AS IT DISSOLVES OR CARRIES EVERYTHING AND WE ARE NOT VERY CLEAN (HELICOPTER SOUND)

1:08:43 .. AMBY .. WIND ..

1:10:38 OCEAN AMBY BEGINS

1:14:16 ANOTHER VERSION OF OCEAN AMBY BEGINS

1:17:54 .. LEO GIVES INFO ABOUT MICS

1:20 49 WE BEGIN WALKING TO HOUSE ON SEACOAST DRIVE .... HOME OF MARILYN DAHZELL AND HER TWO SONS, DAN AND DAVID ..

1:21:01 WE EXCHANGE HELLOS .. HE STARTS TALKING ABOUT RADIO ETC.

1:21:43 AMBY CHANGES FROM OUTDOORS TO INDOORS .. 'THEY'RE HERE"

L.N. HI HOW ARE YOU ..WE ARE HERE TO TURN YOUR WATER ON .. WELL LET YOU DO IT

1:21 57 WATER FAUCET

**1:22:27LN: WHEN YOU TURN FAUCET ON DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHERE IT IS COMING FROM?

**MARILYN D.: NOT INITIALY .. BUT I KNOW IT COMES FROM THE SOURCE OF THE COLORADO RIVER LN: DO U THINK BAOUT HAVING LST SPIGOT? MD:I'VE BEEN TEASED ABOUT IT LN: WHAT DO THEY SAY MD: THEY SAY YOU CAN'T FORGET YR ADRESS **1:23:04LN: WE HAVE JUST COME FROM DAM, FOLLOWING THE RIVER .. WHAT YR SENSE HOW THAT WATER GETS FROMTHERE TO HERE? **MD: I DON'T KNOW EXACT ROUTE OR PROCESS. I ASSUME SOME COMES FROM PIPING. SOME FROM OPEN RIVER TYPE AND RESERVORIS. I KNOW ITS COMPLICATED .. I THINK WE TEND TO TAKEIT FOR GRANTED ASLONG AS IT COMES OUT OF THE FAUCET .. **LN: DO PEOPLE TAKE IT FOR GRANTED? **MD: IN RECENT PAST WITH WATER SHORTAGE EVERYONE WAS EXTREMELY CAREFUL. THEN WE HAD RAIN AND THAT RELEIVED STRESS. BUT I GOT INTO CHANGE OF HABIT AND BEING MORE AWARE OF CONSERVIG WATER .. AND I THINK IT WASAN OUTCOME OF THAT PERIOD WHERE WE HAD TO BE SO CAREFUL ... FRO WHAT I HEAR THAT THE CASE WITH OTHERS **LN: PEOPLE BECOME AWARE? **MD: YEAH I THINK AWARENESS IS A BIG PART OF CONSERVING WATER. AND SINCE WE DO LIVE INTHE DESERT ITS A REAL ISSUE .. LN: I THINK THAT TEA KETTLES ABOUT TO BOIL

1:25:11 WE REALLY DO LISTEN TO A TEA KETTLE BOIL .. THOUGH IT IS NOT TERRIBLY EFFECTIVE

1:27:20 .. FAUCET AMBY AGAIN

1:27:57 ... FAUCET AMBY .. BETTERTHAN OTHERS BUT SHORTER .. GARY WIPES HAND AFTER WARDS

1:29:03 THE SHOWER SCENE BEGINS ..

1:31:57 ( WE RE-DO THE ENTRANCE) LN: I'M NOW STANDING OUTSIDE OF LAST HOUSE ETC ... KNOCK KNOCK OH HI! I'M LYNN NEARY .. THANKS FOR LETTING US IN .. WE'RE GONNA TURN ON YOUR FAUCET ..

1:34:38 AMBY OUTSIDE DOOR OF HOUSE

1:36:00 AMBY FACING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTION

*** BEGINING OF STORM DRAIN SCENE .. KIP STURDEVAN, ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS MANAGER FOR CITY OF IMPERIAL BEACH IS TALKING FIRST **

1:37:37 KIP STURDEVAN: KIDS WHAT WE'RE GOING TODO TODAY IS OSCAR IS GOING TO TAKE YOU AND HAVE YOU STENCIL STORM DRAINS TO TEACH PEOPLE ABOUT POTENTIAL WAYS OF POLLUTING THE ENVIRONEMNT .. WHAT I HAVE HERE IS MAP THAT IS BROKEN DOWN IN DRAINAGE BASIN IN CITY ... **1:38:10 NOW YOU SAID YOU LIVE ON WHIH STREET? KID: 12TH STREET .. KS: OKAY 12TH AND GROVE SO YOU CAN SEE .. (PAPER RUSTLING) ANY WATER FROM HIS HOUSE .. WASHING CAR .. SUDS GO INTO STREET RIGHT OUT HERE AND INTO THE ESTUARY .. 1:38:47 SO THIS'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE YOU LIVE .. HOW YOU CAN EFFECT THE LOCAL BODIES OF WATER .. WASHING CARS, INSECTISIDE ETC. WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DAY RIGHT AROUND ESTUARY .. WE ARE GONNA WALK OVER THEER AND STENCIL THREE OPENINGS TO TEACH PEOPLE THAT ANY THING THEY THROW DOWN THERE WILL END UP IN ESTUARIES.. USED OIL, PAINT EVERYTHING LIKE THAT WILL HURT THE ESTUARY..

OSCAR GONZALES HERE IS FROM THE SURFRIDER FOUNDATION. THEY ARE ALL SURFERS AND
FOLKS OF ALL WALKS OF LIFE WHO LOVE THE OCEAN AND THEY ARE CONCEREND ABOUT POLLUTION THERE .. WANT TO KEEP ENVIROMENT BETTER.. SO THEY HAVE THIS PROGRAM TO HELP KIDS AND OTHERS STENCIL THIS THROUGHOUT THE CITY..

1:40:43 DO YOU HAVE AN QUESTIONS? ( PAUSE) OKAY PAT YOU WANT HEAD ON OVER YEAH .. ALRIGHTS .. HE FOLDS UP MAP .. THERE ARE SOME VOICES ..RECEDING IN IN DISTANCE .. WALKING SOUNDS .. QUIET AMBY ..

**1:42:10 AMBY AT SURFER'S CAR .. KIDS VOICES: I GOT SOME GREEN PAINT ... CAR DOOR SLAMS .. FOOTSTEPS ON GRAVEL .. (PRETTY GOOD .. BUT SHORT ..WE START TALKING .. )

1:43:20 GRAVEL FOOTSTEPS BEGIN AGAIN .. PLANE OVERHEAD

1:44:41 SCENE IN FRONT OF PIPE GOING INTO ESTUARY .. **KIP: THESE ARE WHERE STORM DRAINS COME OUT .. REMEMBER MAP WE WERE LOOKING AT ( PAPER RUSTLES) ... THIS PIPE GOES ALL THE WAY BACK UP THIS STREET AND DRAINS WHOLE CITY ETC. ANYTHING THROWN DOWN COMES IN HERE .. YOU CAN SEE SOME .BUT LOTS YOU CAN'T SEE .. WHEN TIDE COMES IN IT WILL BE SPREAD THRU ESTUARY .. LET'S WALK UP STREET .. AND OSCAR WILL SHOW YOU .. FOLDS UP MAP .. THE GROUP MARCHES ON ..

1:47:02

AT FIRST STORM DRAIN .

OSCAR GONZALES, SURFER: CAN I SAY SOMETHING. OKAY THESE KIDS HERE KNOW MORE THAN 80 PERCENT OF POPULATION. MOST PEOPLE THINK THIS WHOLE HERE GOES TO THE TREATMENT PLANT .. THEY DUMP MOTOR OIL .. LITTER .. THEY THINK IT WILL GET TREATED AND WON'T HURT ENVIRONENT. KIDS KNOW BETTER BECAUSE THEY HAVE D SEEN THE OUTFALL OUT THERE .. SO WHAT WE ARE GONNA DO, WE ARE GONNA EDUCATE PEOPLE BY PUTTING SIGN HERE ..

**1:47:34 FIRST, CLEAN THE AREA ( GREAT SWEEPING SOUND) THEN WE HAVE STENCIL GET WHITE PAINT ... ( HE GETS PAINT CAN .. OPENS IT) OKAY I'LL GET THE EDGES .. ALRIGHT KIDS .. TRY NOT TO SPILL TOO MUCH BY THE WAY .. KIDS WANT TO KNOW WHY NOT USING SPRAY .. BECAUSE WE WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM AEROSOL .. POLTICALLY CORRECT PAINT ..

PAT FLANAGAN STARTS INTERVIEWING OSCAR ..
1:48:55 AMBY OF HORSES GOING BY ( DON'T ASK WHY .. )

1:50:39 OKAY WE'LL LET IT DRY AND THEN COME BACK .. ( KIDSPICK UP PAINT AND MOVE ON) .. STREET AMBY INCLUDING KID GOING BY ON ROLLER SKATES ??

1:53: 10 SECOND STROM DRAIN .. BEGINS WITH AMBY OF SWEEPING .. LOT OF ADULTS TALKING AND ASKING KIDS QUESTIONS .... CARS GOING BY ... TEACHER STARTS ASKING KIP QUESITONS (DOESN'T QUITE WORK)

1:54:56 ... LYNN ASK QUESTIONS

LN: KIDS TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE DOING ?

***KID: PAINTING SO THAT NO ONE WILL THROW TRASH DOWN SEWER AND IT WON'T GO IN ESTUARY ..

***KID2 .. HOPEFULLY NOBODY WILL

LN: DO YOU THINK IT WILL WORK?

KID3: SOME PEOPLE DON'T CARE ( BARELY AUDIBLE)

LN: PEOPLE DON'T CARE IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? CHORUS OF VOICES: SOME POPLE JUST DONT' CARE .. CARELESS .. SOME DON'T KNOW .. THEY JUST DUMP STUFF

LN: THEY JUST DUMP STUFF? WILL THIS HELP:

CHORUS: YEAH .. IT MIGHT HELP

LN: WHAT ARE YOU LEARNING ..

CHORUS .. BLAH BLAH

LN:DO YOU TELL OTHER PEOPLE?

KID:IF IT'S IMPORTANT

LN:CAN YOU STOP PEOPLE FROM DOING IT ..

KID: SOMETIMES

***1:56:26 LN WHAT DOES IT MEAN IF PEOPLE KEEP DOINGIT .. WHATS GONNA HAPPEN TO THE WATER??

****KIDS: THEY ALL START TALKIN' AT ONCE .. FINALLY ONE KID IN CLEAR, BUT OFF MIKE: IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT, ITS LIKE YOUR GIVING YOURSELF A PUNSIHEMENT BECAUSE U CAN'T GO TO BEACH ANY MORE .. IF YOU GOT TO ESTUARY ALL YOU'LL SEE IS DEAD BIRDS

****LN: THATS ALLREADY HAPPENING .. THAT SOME PARTS OF THE BEACH YOU CAN'T SWIM AT?

***KIDS: UM-HMM LN: THAT'S A DRAG KID: YEAH SOMETIMES, (INAUDIBLE .. )

***LN: HAVE THERE ALWAYS BEEN PARTS OF BEACH WHERE YOU CAN'T SWIM?

****KIDS »YEAH

****LN: SO YOU ARE USED TO THAT?

****KID:NO LN: DOES IT MAKE YOU MAD?

KID SOMTIMES YOU CAN'T GO .. NOT VERY AUDIBLE

****1:58:15 LN: SO IT MAKES YOU MAD

****KIDS: YEAH IF YOU PLAN SOMETHING WITH YOUR FRIENDS, YOU GO AND YOU FIND OUT THE BEACH IS CONTAMINATED.. ANOTHER KID: AND THEN YOU CAN'T GO IN ANYMORE

LN:DO YOU THINK KIDS YOUR AGE ARE BECOMING AWARE?

KIDS: .. YEAH

LN: HOW?

KIDS: THEY ARE TEACHING US

LN: SO KIDS KNOWN WHAT THEY DO EFFECTS BEACH

KIDS: YEAH

TEACHER BEGINS TALKING .. SAYS KIDS TAKE PARENTS TOTHE ESTUARY .. ETC

WE MOVE ON TO NEXT DRAIN .. AND A NEW TAPE ..

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