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Tasmanian Devil  

NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
25 Feb 1998

    Geography
  • Australia
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  • Taranna; Tasmanian Devil Conservation Park
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  • -43.06065   147.86473
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  • 48kHz
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NPR/NGS RADIO EXPEDITIONS
TASMANIAN DEVILS WITH DAVID DOUBILET
LOG OF DAT #1
RECORDED BY LES GILBERT FEBRUARY 24,1998
TASMANIAN DEVIL PARK -TASMANIA

SENNHEISER MKH MICS
LEFT -CARDIOD
RIGHT -FIGURE EIGHT
RECORDED ON TO SONY TCD 10 PRO

CH = Carolyn Hamilton
DD = David Doubilet
Carolyn = Carolyn Jensen

11:43 AM
TASMANIAN DEVILS FEEDING....

1: 15 -1:55 setting up NG

1 :56 -walking towards the devils .... footsteps, barking (in bg)

2:01 -DD -come on boys!

2:10 devils eating ... VERY VERY GOOD -growling and panting...3:11 EXCELLENT!.-.... through 4:04 -THE DEVILS ARE WAITING TO BE FED -HAVING A "SQUABLLE"

4: 17 DD -ok, here is the food coming ....BAD TRAFFIC IN BG -NG

4:18 -5:50 good grunting and eating sounds -gnawing ..... but traffic sounds in bg

5:41 -good different kind of gnawing -chewing -but traffic in bg -flies in bg, good

***5:51-6:33 grunting and eating, less traffic sound -flies, good, some rustling around in leaves, a bit mellower ..... THIS WAS ALL RECORDED IN A DEN EATING THE SKULL OF A WALLABY

7:03 -ANOTHER OF THE DEVILS EATING....good ambi bed -flies on gbg, a bot quieter than the other devils 8:00 -very good "crunch" 8:23 fade on the DAT. ...

8:24 -a lot of flies in bg .. .less intense grunting ....

8:48 devil taking a bite out of the mic ....mistook it for a wallaby through 9: 13

9:39 -another Tasmanian devil eating part of a devil -a lot scurrying around .... NG... talking in bg

9:57 -10:04 different kind of grunting ... very strange sounding -but a lot of rustling of trees in the bg ....

10:19 -ambi of area -trees rustling ... birds ... OK. ..

10:35 talking ..... no good trough 10:55

10:56 -Les walking around -some devils in bg

G 11:13 -12:13devils eating, crunching hard on a bone (skull?) ... a lot of tree rustling in bg

12:14 car in bg

12:25 -good -but car in bg ...

12:30 13:13-VG ....

13:14 -14:06 G -less grunting....flies .... trees ....

14:07 -DD -it has finished digesting ...crunching...eating ... he is now interested in the microphone...he is licking some pine tree branches inside a small enclosure ... almost as if a human would take a piece of parsley after a relatively heavy meal of a hamburger 14:35

14:36 bg ambi -wind in trees ... some birds ... cars ...

15:01 DD -he spots the other male in the enclosure¬

15:04 -15:20 ambi -bg trees ..

15:40 woman -urn...we will just go and feed the females. If you are going to get in with them you have to be very aware bc they are a bit more bitchy than the males ¬these ones are ok, but getting in with the females you have to be very careful and watch what you are doing ..... 15:54 (she asks if she was ok?)

16: 16 walking to the cave ... 16;23 DD -here they are

16:26 -woman -I would rather feed these ones from this side. If! do it right here there is quite a bit of area -unless you ant to jump in -it might be best to jump in right after I've fed them. I am going to feed them one piece so that hopefully they will tear at it. They might initially run with it but then they will settle and feed

16:46 DD -they are looking at us with very very bright eyes right now -jockeying for position (woman in bg -just give me a yell when you are ready) 5 dark hairy bodies with pink ears, well chewed, moving back and forth looking very very carefully at every movement we make. Strangely enough, their front legs are very delicate. The claws are used to grab and hold, and much different than the males, their heads are a little bit smaller, their bodies of course are smaller, they are less scarred, but they are very very hungry -CAR PASSING/CHAIN SAW -LOGGING TRUCK-
ABOUT TO FEED THE 5 FEMALES A LARGE PIECE OF WALLABY ¬

18:01 DD -off mike: they are moving around each other like some dog ... BACK ON MIKE ... square dance, jockeying for position keeping their very bright eyes right on Carolyn who has a bucket of delicious road kill. They can sense, they can smell, they can see it all happening, and they are ready to eat. They are also looking at us. The eyes are very bright, but they are very very directional 18:23

18:51 -devils eating ... quiet ... 19:07 some grunting .....

19;15 DD -5 heads together in a star shaped pattern, each gnawing on the ribs of the wallaby -they are pulling backwards with extreme power

19:32-19:48 eating

19:49 DD (off mike) dentures and palette -they seem to ignore the niceties of bone sinew and (now on mike) blood vessel-it is all the same -food 19:57

G 19:58-21:00 eating and faint grunting

21:01 DD (off mike) they use their small paws to grip, tear, (on mike) at the piece of meat which is now being reduced at an extremely rapid rate as if it is disappearing ¬fur, muscle, bone, everything is going down. Nothing is left. 21:17

21 :18 good eating

21:23 DD -at points, all 5 noses of these animals together. And then there is individual tug of wars 21:30

21 :31 good eating, a lot of gnawing and crunching on bones

21:50 DD -this is not delicate feeding. In the world of Tasmanian devils there's virtually no table manners.
21:58

21:59 eating .....

21:12 DD -morning light comes through the trees and when they open their mouths you can see this sort of dangerous pink palette cave of teeth, flesh, all very hard and powerful 22:28

22:30 fade out

22:35 fainter gnawing 22:56 fade out

23: 13 eating, softer -birds in bg

23:20 DD -each of these females has a single bright catch light in each of their eyes. And it makes their eyes kind of glow with a kind of a concentrated hunger. Each of these females has a single bright catch light in their eyes. It makes their eyes glow with a concentrated hunger. They gnaw on the food, and occasionally, one of them is gnawing on the other. Muzzle to muzzle, ear to ear. 23:57

23 :58 -24:29 quiet eating, good for behind trax ... some grunting,

24:30 DD 5 minutes ago, this was half a wallaby. Run over by a car, a rib cage, fur, back bone, bones, ribs, front paws. Now it has disappeared. There is just a tiny bit of scrap left. There is no hair, no blood. It is as if it has been erased ...and the only sound left is crunching. 25:09

25:10 fade out

25: 19 Les: recording some cape barron geese

25:33 birds -faint ... .lot of rustling trees ... ok for bg ambi -GEESE @26:34 -faint, but ok for ambi bed, some mike handling noise

26:53 -faint talking in bg, and footsteps ....

27: 17 fade out

27:28 DD -I am talking to Carolyn Hamilton ..... (Carolyn -we are in Taranna)",in Tasmania and Carolyn is the co-proprietor of the Tasmanian Devil park with her husband John. 27:52 You once told me a wonderful story about raising, hand feeding Tasmanian devils ¬

28:00 CH (Carolyn Hamilton) Well yes, they are a curious animal bc when they come here to the rescue center, they are generally about three or four inches long and they are very very sweet, nice animals. They have got extremely sharp teeth. They are like needles. But they have to be the worst animals to hand raise bc when you are feeding them they punch at the teat so milk goes everywhere. They bite you. They wee and poo on you -they smell but when you look at them they are really quite sweet. 28:39

28:41 DD -so after hand raising these animals, holding them tightly, feeding them with a baby bottle -NO GOOD

29:28 DD so, raising these wonderful, sweet little animals, did they ever get used to and begin to love the feel of humans around them?

29:38 CH -you know I really don't think they can become totally humanized or domestic. They are people and places where you can go and pet a friendly devil. But I don't see there is anything friendly about them. And I have hand-raised devils for 10 years now, and I maybe our approach is different bc we don't want to domesticate them so we focus on not making them really friendly -no, they are still just as aggressive and I think as they get older they become more aggressive. There is a real fight for survival there -and it does come through even if you hand raise them. However, we did have one devil, his name was George, and he was very ill devil and he had constant infections. And all the other devils were constantly picking on him and he had bites and he was always ill. And he had a lot of treatment. And interesting enough it altered the color of his fur. It sort of went a dull chocolate brown. But when John used to get into the enclosure -the main enclosure-George would just run up to john and scamper up his leg to be cuddled. And that is the only devil I have known to do that -and I am sure it is bc he was so sick and he was looked after constantly like a little baby devil -a baby cub.
30:58

30:59 DD -growing up in Tasmania you have always heard these animals -heard the sound of them, seen them -(Carolyn -yes) have you always been fascinated with them?

31;11 DD -growing up in Tasmanian you have always heard these animals, seen these animals, have you always been fascinated with them?

31:18 Carolyn -um ...1 suppose when I was a child, or in my teenage years when we moved to Tasmanian I -they were just part of living -just a fact of life of the bush ¬a bit like a kangaroo or a wallaby -you didn't take much notice. It wasn't really until I met john and it was sort of like -marry me marry my devils -that I moved here and I became fascinated with them.

31:42 DD -marry me, marry my devils?

Carolyn -well that is how it feels sometimes! (laugher)

31: 57 -DD tell me a little about the Tasmanian devil park
Carolyn -the park -it is a great place. Curiously we are not a zoo or a zoo style animal park. Our focus is mainly on rescue work and on rehabilitation and of course releasing these native animals back into the world. There are some birds and animals that stay here for life -like the eagles, when they have such severe wing injuries that they are unable to fly. So therefore we have constructed an enclosure to protect them from the elements of the wild so they can live here happily. But we do get lots of animals back into the wild and I suppose the focus is really the 3 R's ¬raise, rehabilitate and to release

32;35 DD when you look into the eyes of the Tasmanian devils what do you feel?
Carolyn -I feel fear!

DD -do you think they are looking at you, completely through you -or looking at you simply as a source of food

33 :00 Carolyn -probably all three -though I probably wouldn't be all that tasty I don't think, so maybe the food element is quite so strong. But I think that it is a warning that they are -that they don't want you to come too close. It is a beware look I think. I really think they would only dare eat us if we died as bushwalkers in the bush 33:24

33:35 DD -Tasmanian devils aren't carnivores but they are carrion (?) eaters, so within the environment of Tasmania I imagine they playa very important role.

33:39 Carolyn -yeah, I say they do play an important role within our environment -well they are primarily a scavenging animal -they would rather eat dead flesh then hunt something live. They have a curious gait which enables them to cover a huge distance. Rather than running very quickly for a short period of time to chase something so that they can actually search for dead food. They ...

34: 18 DD how would you describe how a Tasmanian devil walks

34;24 Carolyn -a Tasmanian devil doesn't actually -well, it does walk -but I think mainly it has a lolloping gait -it ambles along which enables it to cover a vast distance in search of dead food bc they are primarily a scavenging animal 34:41

35:03 DD -the hand of man in Tasmania seems to playa very important role in providing a serving table for Tasmanian devils -the road kills are an extra added feast to their normal diet.

35;19 Carolyn -well yes, I think it makes it easier for the tas devil bc they don't have to search the bush. I suppose when you think about it they are really very useful bc they keep the forests nice and clean and free of disease. But with the roads it is like one huge dinner platter. The devil has any amount of food and I think that is one of the reasons that he is surviving so well now. He doesn't have to fight for survival anymore.

DD -35:50 How would you describe what they sound like?

Carolyn -ah, curious question bc from time to come it does invoke fear. If you hear them in the night -if you are camping in the bush and you hear them in the night it can be scary, eerie, but I suppose we hear them all the time and even just hear we can hear them from the park at night -is a distinctive sound -that is not really a growl but more like a high pitched noise -sort of scream.

36:56 DD initally the first Europeans that spent anytime in Tasmania must have been absolutely horrified by the sound of these creatures.

37:07 Carolyn -absolutely. I think it would have been really scary bc they are so black and nugety and ugly looking with that big boof head I really -the Europeans must have been terrified and especially at night to hear these animals you would have wondered what on earth was coming. I agree with you

37:31 DD -now you have been bitten by a tas devil. Can you tell me about that?

37:38 Carolyn -yes -well if! look at my hand, my right hand which is my writing hand I can see the scare on my index finger and it is about an inch or more long -I was quite lucky bc it was a young devil, only about 10 months. And I happened to be picking it up to show some people a pouch and the characteristics of a tas devil and it bit me. When a devil bites it doesn't actually tear like a dog it just punches your -your finger as it was ¬and as I pulled my finger away it ripped my finger and my skin away from the bone so it was quite nasty. But my husband said to me that I was quite lucky bc if it was a 2 yr old or a 3yr old devil the bone the jaws and the teeth would have been much sharper and the injury would have been much worse. But if! got bitten by a very old devil it doesn't mater bc their teeth are really blunt and there is no real injury. That's what my husband said to me -to try and jolly me along, but really the devil has a very nasty bite and the worst thing about it is that the jaws have such bone crushing powers that in fact they can give you a very very nasty wound 38:59
changing the mikes -so they are talking more across the mikes ¬

40;49 DD -Carolyn tell me about raising orphan tas devils

40:55 Carolyn: well, raising orphan tas devils is quite a challenge they are very sweet ¬when I get them here in the park they are generally about 3 or 4 inches long, so they fit into my hand and they are quite black with a very fine covering of fur. They have extremely sharp teeth, they are like needles. And we have to bottle feed them with a special mixture and we have quite a long teat -the teat is about an inch to an inch and a half long to try and be similar to the mother's teat. But the difficulty is with the devils -with their teeth so sharp they puncture the teat. So you have milk dribbling everywhere. They wriggle they squirm they never sit still but they are intriguing and they are absolutely fascinating to watch. They grow up into .....

42:47 DD -Carolyn, tell me about raising orphan tas devils

42;42 Carolyn -well, raising orphan tas devils is a challenging thin ...........

43:09 DD -Carolyn, tell me about raising orphan tas devils

43:14 Carolyn -well, raising tas devils is a real challenge. When they come here to the park they are generally about 3 to 4 inches long, they are quite thin with a light covering of black fur. They fit into the size -into my hand quite comfortably. We feed them a special milk mixture which actually is low in lactose for native animals. And they have a very long teat about an inch to an inch and a half long and it is to try and be similar to the mother's teat. They then -when we try to feed them it is very difficult bc of their very sharp needle like teeth, they puncture the teat and milk just goes everywhere. They squirm, the wriggle, they are actually quite difficult to raise and then they grow up.

44:05 DD -with all that maternal love do they return love to you?
Carolyn [laughter] -no! not at all! They are quite aggressive. They

44:36 -DD -with all that maternal love, did they return that love to you?

44:40 Carolyn -no, no, absolutely not at all. In fact I think they are probably the worst animal to hand raise be they really don't give a hoot who did it! [laughter]

45:14 DD -with all that maternal love -do they return any love to you?

45: 19 -Carolyn -absolutely not. They are very aggressive -even after you have cared for them for 10 or 12 months -I could go out there and try and pick up one of those females that we saw feeding and it would probably bite me -no, they don't return the love at all.

46:09 DD -as a teenager you grew up in Tasmania. What did you think of tas devils then? The animal itself ¬

46:20Carolyn -as a teenager we just took them for granted. They were just part of the bush. They were just a bit like a wallaby or a possum. There wasn't anything terribly special about them. We would hear them growling in the bush and we would say oh -look there is a tas devil. Or -oh look, can you hear the devil. It wasn't really anything terribly special. Perhaps until I came down here. 46:43

46:44 DD -and then you met John¬

46:45 Carolyn -I met John -yes, and eh -I suppose it was marry me marry my devils and here I am. And it has just evolved from there -and in fact I have raised devils for 10 years now. I never tire of doing it bc it just interests me and they are so curious -but they are so sweet. When they first come in they are just gorgeous.
47:08

47: 19 DD -people all over the world imagine that the tas devil looks very much like the Warner brother's cartoon -T AZ -the guy that makes whirling sounds and eats everything. And when they see them for the first time how do they react? Tell me about opinions, voices, and things that people say when they see them
Carolyn -yes, that is very interesting bc in fact we sell the T AZ merchandise in our gift shop. So when we get particularly American people coming in they have this preconceived idea of what the tas devil is bc of Warner bro's TZ -and we get a lot of comments saying we didn't realize the tas devil was black, we didn't realize he was so small. We didn't realize he walks on 4 legs. Why doesn't he spin? Does he really eat everything? All these sorts of questions -people are generally shocked to find out that firstly he is black, he walks on 4 legs, he is a marsupial like a wallaby or a kangaroo and they -some people think he is just a cartoon character and he doesn't exist 48:46 and they come here and they say -do you really have tas devils? Are you are sure they aren't made from concrete? Is it not something mythical? People honestly think that they don't even exist. And yet they do. 48:51

48:57 DD -when you get in a pen with a tas devil you have to be totally aware of their surroundings and where they are and where they come from -tell me about that

49: 13 Carolyn -yes, we do have to be very aware when we get in with the tas devils ¬particularly with the females. I suppose bc there are 5 animals in that particular enclosure so you have to be aware. They also .... prob bc they are female -they are a bit bitchy, but they -they are also very curious -they will come and they will sniff. But they are more likely to have a go at you -so you really have to be on the ball. With the male enclosure, there are only 3 males, they are -I am much happier getting in with them. they are a lot more placid I don't know why -I just feel more comfortable with the male devils -at least anyway ¬

50:01 DD -well, it is the male devil you know

Carolyn -well it probably is -yes ! [laughter]

50:07 -DD -a tas devil had a go at you -can you describe that-
Carolyn -yes I can -it wasn't a very pleasant experience. What happened is that I was holding a very young devil, about 10 or 11 months old and it -I was showing some people the pouch and the characteristics of the tas devil and anyway -it turned very quickly and they are quite nuggety and it can shift in your hand -and it bit my index finger -and if I look at my index finger now the scar is about an inch long ¬quite a jagged scar it bit through my finger. The real danger with a devil bite is that the jaws are so strong that they will crush your bone. And obviously they can't be repaired very well. I was lucky. It was just a puncture wound. But when I actually ripped my finger away it ripped the skin away from the bone. So it took quite a long time to mend. The other real problem with dev bites is the infection bc of the food and the things they eat -you have to have tetanus shots and of course sorts of tablets to counter the infection. 51:14 but it wasn't very pleasant it hurt, let me tell you

51: 17 DD -it seems to be that devils, almost infection wise seem to be virtually -almost a bullet proof animal that eats up everything. That cleans up everything and yet some how stays healthy, including eating each other during food fights as it were -territorial battles. How do you think that works-what do you think the mechanism of this animal is to make it survive?

51:43 Carolyn -perhaps I am not exactly sure but I do think from past experiences just watching the injuries that the devils have when they come here to the rescue center, or even an injury at feeding time when they take chunks out of the side of their face ... the devil's ability to heal is extraordinary. It never ceases to amaze me. 52: 12

DD -52:15 tell me about the philosophy behind the tas devil park

CH -... people always often come here thinking we have animals in cages, but in fact we are not [a zoo] -we are actually a rescue center, and our main focus is on raising, rehabilitation and releasing native animals back into the wild. It is all supported by entrance fees to the park, and that is how it all functions. 52:58 we employ a vet one day a week to come and do all this work for us and the focus is really on what we cal the three R's: raising, rehabilitating and releasing these animals back into the wild.

DD -does the vet enjoy tas devils as a client?

53:22 CH-I don't think so! Bc we may have to sedate them. first you have to catch them which is terribly difficult then you have to get an injection into them to sedate them which is really done with quite a long needle and syringe bc if you get too close they will turn around and try and bite you. So usually you try and injection them into their rump .... there is no rule as to how much sedative ....a small amount of sedative necessarily work, and even a very large amount will take a very long time. These animals are very robust and they are just unpredictable. You can't administer a medication like a sedative to a devil and know what the outcome is going to be bc it varies from animal to animal and from male to female as well. So they are very difficult to treat. We can't stitch them bc they pull their stitches out, it is very hard to immobilize the devils. If they have a broken leg we can't splint them bc they will pull it all apart. So really we have to do it with sprays, powders and long acting injections 54:36
DD -do you like them?

54:44 CH -my immediate reaction is to say NO! I don't like them. But having said that I have to say that they are the most curious animal that is alive today.

55:56DD ... asking about what it sounded like for Europeans ...

56: 13 CH -fearful ....1 recall going into the bush w/a friend we were camping, and as my first experience hearing tas devils in the wild I remember calling over to my friend -what's that noise? What's that noise? In fact it was the terrible eerie screech of a tas devil but curiously enough you know there are other sounds -eerie -like the possum has quite a high pitch screech call. And you can hear the kangaroos and the wallabies thumping through the bush at night with their big long paws and their tails going BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM. Other things you can here are little quails (?) creeping, quietly around the campsite with their noses in our packs trying to search for food. So I would think that the Europeans first nights here in the Tasmanian bush would have been fearful. 57:22

58: 19 DD -paint a verbal picture of what a REAL tas devil looks like

CH -a real tas devil ... well first of all I have to say they are the size of a small dog they are always black in coloring, they sometimes have white on them. And if white does occur it will be on the collar a little slash and a slash on the rump above the tail. They have very powerful heads with quite pointy noises. If you were to look at them head on it is a bit like a 3-D triangle. They have red ears, particularly when the sun is shining behind, the ears really glow red. They have very long whiskers and a very shiny black snout. Their actual faces are quite short, they are not like a dogs snout which is generally long and slender. Devils have a quite short snout and the thickness from the ear to the lower jaw is very obvious bc that is where the power is for the jaw is. 59:40 their bodies are quite round. You don't often get a very thin devil. They have got very thin, short front legs with delicate paws. Their hind legs or their hind quarters are similar to a small dog but they are length of thigh and paw vary from a dog. So that the back legs of the paw are quite long. This enables the tas devil to actually stand up on its hind legs and it can use the tail like a tripod, a little bit like a kangaroo

1:00:19. The tail of the tas devil I think always looks like a straw broom. The fur on the body is glossy, smooth and very very soft. The tail fur is just like a straw broom. It is bristly, and unattractive

COARSE¬

1 :00:46 DD -when you look into their eyes what do you see?

1 :00:50 CH -well, sometimes I see fear from my own part. But really I think when they are looking at me they are just giving me a beware signal. I know they are not going to eat me so I am not so scared about that. But sometimes you will be in the enclosure and one of them will just really stare at you and I think it is just to say you have come close enough now -it is more of a beware -a warning 1:01: 15

DD -in the wild are they aggressive? Would they give you a "go" as it were?

1:01:25 CH-I don't think so -they are always a bit like a snake. I think that if you invade their space they will protect it. But I don't necessarily think that they will have a real go at you if you are walking around in the bush

1:01:42 DD -what do they smell like?

CH -oh my god, they smell foul. They smell foul-the smell-I can't describe it -it is just foul. ... .it is pungent .... .it is a dull smell.

LAUGHTER

1 :02:53 DD -why is this animal is this animal the size of a dog with a shiny nose called a tas devil -even though it only lives in Tasmania -where does the devil part come from?

1:03:1O CH -yes we are asked this question probably daily ... well I think firstly it is nature. But it is also appearance. It is black and its got these little red ears, though the ears only glow red when the sun is behind. But sometimes when it stands up on its hind legs, balancing with its tail, with the sun behind it glowing through and the red ears and black coloring it really does look a bit like a devil. But also I think its nature is quite devilish as well. It is not a friendly animal. I always say that a devil gets out of bed on the wrong side every morning. Everyday is a bad day. They are so cranky. 1:03:51

1:04:35 DD -this is the sound of the Tasmanian devils feeding OR the tas devils about to eat -it is a howling eerie sound and it comes from an animal that is not heart shaped with an enormous mouth that whorls (?) around like a centrifuge. It comes from an animal the size of a 25 pound dog. It is black, has a shiny patent leather nose that always seems to be wet, has 2 tiny black eyes set way back in its skull that literally comes to a point. It has a small tail and short hind legs and longer forelegs with very delicate claws and they are grabbing things ..... 1 :05:26

1:05:36 DD-this is the sound of Tasmanian devils eating

1:05:46 -DD this is the sound of tas devils feeding.
It doesn't come from an animal that whirls around like center fugue. It comes from an animal the size of a small black dog with a bright shiny patent leather nose, black eyes, a snout that comes to a conical point, a short tail, short back legs, longer forelegs, tiny delicate paws. The most extraordinary thing about the tas devil is it's mouth. It almost unhinges past 90 degrees, and the teeth are oversized for such a small animal -huge incisors, giant canines, they can bite, they can cut, they can slash. And what they eat is everything. They are -1:06:51

MIKE IS CLOSE TO DAVID: ** 1:07:12 -1:09:57 DAVID SAYS THE SAME THING AS ABOVE BUT SOUNDS DIFFERENT TONE BC HE IS CLOSE TO MIKE -LES SAYS (ON TAPE) THAT HE LIKES THIS TAKE ...1:09:58 now watch -listen -two devils are head to head pulling apart a piece of meat. 5 lbs of wallaby have gone into the enclosure with the devils. There are 5 devils and that was 5 mins ago. Now there is nothing left.
THIS ONE IS GOOD

1:11:46 DD -in a "stage whisper" = This is the sound of the tas devils feeding. No, they are not running around like a top or a center fugues.

1:12:06 DD -this is the sound of tas devils feeding or about to be fed-

DAVID SAYS THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN...... ONE ABOVE THAT IS BOLDED IS BEST

LES NOTES: At Waterfall (?) Bay, standing on top of a cliff about 4-500 feet above the water, bright sunny day, calm day

David is talking with John, one of the owners of the park:

1: 13: 55 DD-this is afternoon in Waterfall Bay in the southern coast of Tasmanian on the southern coast of tasman behind me the cliffs drop nearly 500 feet of the sea. It is here that in 1642 Able Tasman, Ghost of Past, sailing eastward across the ocean towards New Zealand it was going to be named after him the Tasman Sea ....Tasmanian is an island state that hangs beneath the southern coast of Australia. It is a heart shaped island, 150 miles by 150 miles. It is in many respects, an island at the edge of the world where just south of us the southern ocean begins. This is an ocean that is cold, dark, full of constant winds, the roaring 40s. this is the ocean that Able Tasman like, kind of a wind highway around the southern portion of our globe. John Hamilton lives here. He is a native of Tasmanian, and he will tell us where we are. 1: 15 :22

1: 15 :28 JH -we are about 40 or 50 miles from the capital of Tasmanian, which nestles beneath a city called Hobart, which nestles btwn a truly majestic mountain called Mt. Wellington. There are about 200,000 people living in the city -but not far from there it is possible to get into pure wilderness where there are plant species which occur nowhere else on earth. And a very rich fauna -Tasmanian devils, koalas (?), bettangs (?), potteroos (?), -species which occur nowhere else on the planet. 1: 15: 56

1;16:03 DD -listen carefully to the sound of waterfall bay -there is actually a waterfall and it falls 500 feet, down fro the top of the bay, down sandstone cliffs,

1: 16:27 DD -this is the sound of waterfall bay -there is a waterfall here -it falls 500 feet

1:16:52 DD -it is late afternoon in waterfall bay. There is a waterfall here that falls 500 feet to the surface of the Tasman Sea. It is a shallow bay, there is kelp growing in it and it is summer right now. It is calm .. a situation that doesn't occur very often here.

1: 17: 59 DD -it is late afternoon here in waterfall bay -there is a waterfall here that falls 500 feet down the cliffs to the surface of the Tasman sea. It is calm now in waterfall bay ¬a situation that occurs very rarely, kelp flows to the surface, the afternoon light hits the top of the cliffs. Able Tasman sailed by here in 1642 and he really did sail by here bc south of Tasmania, this heart-shaped island, 150 miles by 150 miles, that hangs just south of Australia's coast ¬

1: 18:59 SAME AS ABOVE!!!!!!

1:19:24 SAME AS ABOVE! ... the great Dutch navigator, Able Tasman, sailed by here in 1642..... 1:19:57 Tasmanian is a heart-shaped island, 150 by 150 miles. It hangs just below Australia's southern coast. In the north there is the Bass Straight separating Tasmania from Australia but in the south there is the southern ocean. A dark rich ocean full of krill, penguins, whales and winds. For early navigators this ocean was a hwy,¿ literally a super hwy of wind that pushed them around the globe that for a while pushed them to the spice islands and across Pacific eastward, past Cape Horn. In 1802 another great navigator, Mathew Flinders sailed around the entire island of Tasmania declaring yes indeed that it was an island. John Hamilton is from Tasmania. He lives here on the Tasman peninsula. Where are we john?

1:21:28 JH -we are just about 40 or 50 miles from Crowflash (?) Hobart, which is the capital of the island. It is pretty much in the south east corner on an island which is very mountainous. As we look around us we can see the cliffs over Waterfall Bay and rising behind them forests with species of Eucalyptus which occur only at this place. Up there on the cliff there are some plants-best place in the world to find one particular plant.......(he talks about the plant) ..and all around we have wonderful habitat for unique fauna for Tasmanian devils, detongs, poteroos, and other animals which people have never heard of. They are remnants of what was a very large marsupial concentration in Australia and bc of Tas isolation many of these species survived and are here in these times. 1:22:38

1:22:44 DD it is afternoon and the sun is just beginning to touch the tops of the cliffs. It is very thick forests up here. And even though we are near Hobart, we are in a wilderness beyond a wilderness. Tas sometimes can almost be dream-like. And it is a place of dreams. It is also a place of great sorrow. For after its discovery by Europeans it was later used as a prison. Convicts were transported to Australia -prisoners people who tried to escape, people who committed more capital crime were sentenced to Hobart and very near here, port Arthur.

1:23:37 JH -I have been living in the area for nearly 20 years now and it is interesting to live in a place where for some 50 years during the 19th century it was a place of incarceration. But all thoughts of that rather torrid history, a history which intrigued hundreds of thousands of people to visit the area each year, I see it as being totally overwhelmed by the beauty of the place. We have the tallest cliffs around the Australian coastline here, magnificent walking trails -it is just a superb place to live and best of all we don't share it with many residents -there all lots of visitors but they come and go.

There are very few people who live here, so it is a pretty precious place -it is my place on the planet. 1 :24:25
1:24:29 DD the cliffs here are extraordinary. Here in waterfall bay -they are about 500 feet tall, but at the very tip of the Tas peninsula they are a thousand feet high. And at the very edge of this peninsula there is an island that looks like an enormous cupcake sliced out of sandstone. That is tas island. And at the top of the cupcake is a very tiny 2 foot tall lighthouse that looks like a little candle. 1 :25 :04 in the afternoon the light comes form the west, touches the top of the cliffs, the faces of the cliffs are in shadow, but in the morning the light seems to struggle out of the tas sea and paint the cliffs for a moment a heavy gold. This is an island that is deep and dark and rich -a jewel set at the edge of the southern ocean, and with this richness comes a wonderful mystery. The star of this place ¬of this island -of this mystery there is a creature called the Tasmanian devil 1 :25:55

1:26:16 dd -500 FEET below us a cray boat is coming in. he is going to pull his crat pots for in this dark water the cray fish are crawling back and forth. Farther out there are deep water tas king crabs. The males are the heaviest and largest crabs in the world. Sometimes half the size of the top of a 55 hundred ton oil drum with claws that could go around an adult's neck. The boat is wallowing back and forth in the swells -he is turned against the swells -and even though the sea is very calm, it is a portion of the southern ocean, apart of the tas sea and it breaths all the time. Its swells move all the time. This is high summer, tas is a little bit brown. The green is coming back after some rain. It is a rich and extraordinary place, and the sea bellow our feet is as rich as the land and just as mysterious. 1 :27:43

1:27:52 DD -the southeast portion of tas dwarfs people -makes them feel very small. I am standing on a top of cliff that is a sheer drop that goes 500 feet to the surface of the sea. I can look out across the tas sea and as the world curves eastward and at the edge of it is New Zealand and south of us is the southern ocean. It is rich and full of wind.
1:28:37

1:28:47 DD (a bit off mic at top) below us -500 feet below us -a fisherman has just shot his nets -in other words, cast his nets into waterfall bay. The net goes down -you can see the edge of the line -the nylon line that supports it which is a light emerald green color and it disappears in the darker kelly green of the bay. The boat is owned by a friend of John Hamilton's ..... .

1 :29:27 JH -this is my fisherman friend -bob -Rob -Cunningham. He also has the knick name of sly. I don't know where that comes from. But we get on pretty well. We have an arrangement with Sly -it is quite a coincidence he has just turned up her bc we allow him to bring his family and children whenever he wishes to -to visit our tas devils and he never pays except in fish -it is a wonderful part of country bartering 1:29:58
DD ... talking about feeling small -as boat disappears to sea (NG)

G 1 :31 :27 -1 :32:43 AMBI OF PLACE WHERE INTERVIEW TOOK PLACE -nice, gentle wind, and birds

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