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NPR/NGS Radio Expeditions
14 Jul 1998 at 18:30

    Geography
  • United States
    Wyoming
    Teton County
    Locality
  • Yellowstone National Park; Grant Visitor Center
    Latitude/Longitude
  • 44.39389   -110.55583
    Habitats
  • Coniferous Forest
    Features
  • Burn
  • Geothermal feature
    Channels
  • Stereo
    Sampling Rate
  • 48kHz
    Bit Depth
  • 16-bit
    Recorders
    Microphones
    Accessories
    Equipment Note
  • Stereo=1; Decoded MS stereo

NPR/NGS RADIO EXPEDITIONS
YELLOWSTONE
DAT#1

NP = Nancy Proctor
AC = Alex Chadwick
MS = Michael Schweppe

Intv with Nancy Proctor

ms
recording in ms, july14th, 4:34 PM

ms and np talking about buffalo "nickels"

2:04 np
nancy proctor, I'm a ranger naturalist at the grant visitor ctr in yellowstone nat park

ac
emotional reactions from visitors?

2:21 np
well where the gr ctr is located is the first visitor ctr that you reach coming from the south entrance of Yellowstone and you go through a major burn area from the fires of88 ... the fire that was ultimately called the snake complex ... its a pretty stark 20 mile drive and when people come into the visitors ctr we on staff call it the d-word we can tell in people's eyes what they are going to say when they come up to the desk is "what is all this devastation?" and it becomes a challenge for us then in talking to many
people who come in to the visitor center

ac
are people angry?

3:08 np
some of them are, they will express shock real disgust and outrage...that we let this burn angry ...(3:20 many people do not perceived as coming back, they don't understand what happened that summer...and then that becomes our role not to justify but explain... and help them understand what the role of fire is in any forest ...

ac
talks about how she got into environmental education

np answers

ac
describe area

4:57 np
hmm well as you leave the south entrance and pass moose falls you come into a long stretch that's referred to as the Teton Flats and then you basically enter well you're going go along the Louis River ... and when you enter that Louis canyon scenario that's a very striking landscape and it is where on july 220d 1988 the red fire jumped highway south of Lois falls the Louis river canyon, spotted ignitions ...on the other side... and canyon is pretty good sized canyon 500 yds wide and a lot of fire researchers and experts would have said and did say at that time that there's no way that that fire could have picked up on the other side...but the winds that summer...screwed up everything you know the concepts of fighting fire were thrown out the window during that summer of 88.
6:20

ac
what are you going to show us today

6:35 np
we are going on what is called the Yellowstone lake overlook hike it is just across west thumb geyser basin ... takes us up about 400 ft in elevation and gives us a striking view of west thumb of Yellowstone lake and shows where the shoshone fire came through on july 25 in days after. in contrast to the north end of west thumb that is still an intact old growth forest and it gives one a remarkable view and helps illustrate the mosaic effect of how fire burns ... so we'll go through a burn area and we'll also see the re-vegetation process ...
7:29

ac
what did you think of fires while living here, in 88?

np
... I remember reading the newspapers. .. remember reading a lot of headlines and not feeling quite certain what I was hearing ... 1 don't remember feeling angry about the fires...

ac
What is the most frequently asked question?

9:04 np
I think the first? is how much of the park burned, they want to know a percentage, then they want to know acreage, they want to know when are these trees going to start to grow ... they think that growth is being stunted ...

9:49 np
hard to see the forest for the trees kind of, its an emotional struggle for people (ac ¬still) yes, intellectually they can understand the role of fire its function in a forest
that it cleans out diseased trees fire in Y returns nutrients very quickly to the soil in the form of ash whereas decaying ...bypasses and restores it right away, but still they'll leave the visitors center shaking their heads, "its just terrible," "its just terrible."
10:43

Ac and np
Talking about people's reaction to the burned park.
11:39 it goes deeper than just providing people w the facts bc we have to get past that gut reaction that people have like for someone like myself smoky the bear was my idol when I was a kid, I was raised on that, I ate it up and I look at people coming into the visitors center in the same age group as I am and I know what they're experiencing. So how did I get past that point but they can't, and I know that there are sometimes when I can click w a visitor. .. I'm not trying to inundate someone w info,

12:30
often times I know that they're processing into what I'm saying but emotionally they're at a standstill.

Ac b/c fire (np is bad!) it looks like devastation

12:50 np
And most of us have lived in urban area where we have fire dept. where we do not want to see houses burn or lives taken and that is one side of fire, but the other side of fire is that it is part of the process that ensures the continuation of a forest ... its been part of yellowstone ever since the glaciers receded 12,000 yrs ago process ... fire has been part of our lives but we've attached that moral value to it ....

14:19 np
dealing w kids is a totally different story I think my most exciting time is when I talk to kids who were born during 1988 and those are their trees ... their seeing a totally diff Yellowstone than what they're parents remember ... and kids have a deeper grasp of fire ecology ... kids understand the environment so much better. .. 15:00

np
talking about how people think that if yellowstone had begun fighting the fires sooner, the could have prevented much of the destruction. 98% that burned were under suppression efforts ... people ask about why they don't create firebreaks ... logging.

19:12 ms
in ms ambi, for intv with nancy proctor, wind, fly buzzing in beginning, slight. bird calls ends at
21:12

21:25 ms ms, part 2 nancy proctor, the hike

Nature Tour

23:00 np
talking to tour group

30:23 np
1988 was a very unusual year in Yellowstone prefaced by the winter ... there was no rain from memorial day until Sept. 11th totally unheard of plus we had kind of set stage from
116 yrs. ago ... area of Shoshone fire ... set backburn ... no fuel to burn backburn failed jumped road and kept on going, temp soared ... 33:44

34:10
ms
recording going by walking voices off-mic ... motor in bg, some birds chirping. To 34:54
np
talking about lodgepole pine ... canopy forming, shed lower branches, highly fire resistant, creates huge gap, wasn't until fire reached canopy that things really started happening

37:34 ambi, ms buzzing, v distant voices, to
38:50

39:11 entering burn area.

39:22
wondering how long fire occurred ... surprised about evidence. Motors going by. .

40:29 woman on tour, off-mic well we were hear six yrs ago so my first impression 6 yrs ago gave me a feeling of a cemetery of death and it was v. emotional ... I looked around and I should have been seeing life I was seeing death and now that we've come back again the green floor and the
flowers and the trees that are growing its starting up again its just coming right back it might not come back in my lifetime but it will def in these kids' 41:59

and Alicia is yours and Alicia was born in 1988 ... these are her trees. 41:13

41:26 ambi. Motorcycle
recording breaks at 41:37-41:42

43:28 np
talking about how fire burns.
Ground fires, surface fires, crown fires
creation of tornadoes by winds.

In 1988 50 fires within borders.

50:53 np
no I just think that fire doesn't affect them the way that it affects them, it was not a threat to them. It didn't become a threat to some of the animals ... bambi myth 51:31.

Talking about mosaic pattern of fire and lodgepole pine

talking about bears charging.

57:26 np
bubbling ... steam vent, boiling off all ofwater before gets to top.

Talking about thermal areas, steam vents

1:00:54 ambi
Thermal steam vent ambi sounds like bubbling, "mini geyser but not real geyser."

1:02:18
nancy and a ____bird.
Plane overhead to 1:07:00

talking about cones of lodgepole pines

1:09:15
high wind

1:10:40 ambi
steam vent very good ...l:12:30

1:12:32 ms
ambi "further shot of same geyser"
can hear bugs buzzing (crickets?) to 1: 13 : 59

1:14:11 ac
bird calls, osprey, hawk, wind to 1:14:59 pair of osprey circling above us 400-500 ft at west end of yellowstone lake at about 6:30 in afternoon.

1:15:25 ac
on road on way back

1:16:24 np
before we get back to the main part of civ here at our vehicles 1 would just like to thank all of you very much ... I barely touched on what happened that summer but 1 hope that 1 gave you a little bit of an idea what happened that summer ... opp rarely knocks this loudly ...
1:17:40

1:17:40 np
that you realize that if we didn't learn anything else from the fires of88 what we prob learned is that nature is not ours to control we can try to manage it but it belongs to nature and that's what the flames of 88 told us and if anyone has any ?s

@1:21:15
walking away, good to 1:22:50

1:23:41
final walk-by

1:24:30 ac
what did you think when driving up from south

Interviews in Parking Lot (first better than second)

1:24:36 couple
man speaking. looked pretty barren, looked striking then holy cow what happened but as progressed through park could start to see areas. Would have expected more regeneration

1:25:50 second int.-not good
late at night...

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